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| [[Boneyard Badlands]]
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| ''Nothing to see here...''
 
| {{unknown|Submitted}}
 
| {{unknown|Submitted}}
| Dry Dry Ruins
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| 🥸
| Dry Dry Ruins
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| 🥸
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| 1×
 
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| [[Citadel Magenta]]
 
| {{unknown|Submitted}}
 
| Grumble Volcano
 
| Grumble Volcano
 
| 3
 
| 1×
 
| Mainly looking for gameplay feedback on this one; any tips on making better lightmaps would be appreciated as well.
 
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| [[Thunder City (The World That Never Was)]]
 
| {{unknown|Submitted}}
 
| Moonview Highway
 
| Moonview Highway
 
 
| 3
 
| 3
 
| 1×
 
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| [[Bluster Blob Bluff]]
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| [[Area 64]]
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| {{yes|Ready}}
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| N64 Bowser's Castle
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| SNES Ghost Valley 2
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| 3
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| 1×
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| [[Darkness Temple]]
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| {{yes|Ready}}
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| Bowser's Castle
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| Bowser's Castle
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| 3
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| 1×
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| [[Fort Francis]]
 
| {{yes|Ready}}
 
| {{yes|Ready}}
| DK Summit
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| Maple Treeway
| DK Summit
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| Block Plaza
 
| 3
 
| 3
 
| 1×
 
| 1×
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| [[Lava Road (Renegade Ciara)]]
 
| [[Lava Road (Renegade Ciara)]]
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| [[Starry Cityscape]]
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| [[Toad's Temple]]
 
| {{yes|Ready}}
 
| {{yes|Ready}}
| Rainbow Road
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| Wario's Gold Mine
| Galaxy Colosseum
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| Wario's Gold Mine
 
| 2
 
| 2
 
| 1×
 
| 1×
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| [[Super Sky Courtyard]]
 
| {{yes|Ready}}
 
| DS Yoshi Falls
 
| DS Yoshi Falls
 
| 3
 
| 1×
 
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| [[The Great Apple War]]
 
| {{yes|Ready}}
 
| GBA Shy Guy Beach
 
| GBA Shy Guy Beach
 
| 3
 
| 1×
 
|  
 
 
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| [[Toadette's Castle (FunkyRacer)]]
 
| [[Toadette's Castle (FunkyRacer)]]
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| 1×
 
| 1×
 
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| [[Volcanic Skyway (bento & Metabus)]]
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| {{yes|Ready}}
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| DS Desert Hills
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| DS Desert Hills
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| 3
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| 1×
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| [[Area 64]]
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| [[Interstellar Laboratory]]
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
| 1.0
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| 2.0 Beta 1.2
| N64 Bowser's Castle
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| Rainbow Road
| SNES Ghost Valley 2
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| Rainbow Road
 
| 3
 
| 3
 
| 1&times;
 
| 1&times;
 
| <u>'''Mandatory Changes:'''</u>
 
| <u>'''Mandatory Changes:'''</u>
* NLC cut at the end should be made to either count the lap or be patched out.
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* Replace placeholder materials/textures with finalized work
* Seeing as it is blind, expanding the landing pad after the UFO would be beneficial.
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* Make the space station shortcut two shroom: raise the station a bit, make the top fully flat offroad, make it all sticky road, remove the trick ramp at the end of it, and remove the trick at the end of it.
* The entrance to the UFO should be made a bit less misleading by clarifying the visual reference for the KCL there. One idea was to make the glowing effect surround the racer, as opposed to being entirely underneath the racer, and using a translucent plane of some sorts that actually matches the collision (perhaps mipmapped to only be visible up close).
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* Extend fences around the second turn of the track to prevent an annoying and barely-faster shroomless
* All relevant bugs in #submission-bug-reports
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* Clean up KCL: fall boundaries too low, etc.
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* Clean up KMP: Bill routes, harsh respawns, etc.
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* Fix Z-fighting
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* Clean up dark/oversaturated shading in some areas (city, metal road)
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* Fix moire patterning throughout the track
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* Update minimap to include new shortcuts
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* Fix goomba helmet flickering
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* All relevant bugs in #submission-bug-reports (fall boundaries are too low, bad bill routes, etc)
  
 
<u>'''Suggestions:'''</u>
 
<u>'''Suggestions:'''</u>
* Moo Moo Meadows slot could be used to provide cowbell sfx in the intro cams.
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* Improve lighting throughout the track, including the trees (which are currently unshaded). Adding more emissive sources inside would help, and having the glowing buildings also emit some light would be smart as well.
* If possible, it would be nice if the wooden ramps in and around the main shroom cut gave a bit less air (while still maintaining their low-trickability
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* Consider additive blending on translucent surfaces to 1) reduce visual artifacting and 2) look better.
* Adding reject road to the outer edge of the spiral (similar to ZPL's 3DS Mario Circuit) might help vehicles with weaker drift take it and allow for more alt lines.
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* Change out a few of the out-of-place vanilla game textures, as they stick out in the space environment
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* Redesign or remove the zipper in the city section, as it often sends you in an unfortunate direction and enables a niche cut over the building with a wallclip.
 
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| [[Darkness Temple]]
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| [[N64 Wario Stadium (bugsy)]]
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
| 3.0
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| 1.0
| Bowser's Castle
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| GCN Waluigi Stadium
| Bowser's Castle
 
| 3
 
| 1&times;
 
| <u>'''Mandatory Changes:'''</u>
 
* The track is a bit overscaled, making some sections feel drawn out. Adding obstacles is an option, but many members expressed interest in a direct scaling change - a 5-10% downscale would likely be beneficial.
 
* The final ramp sometimes give stunt tricks, when it should only give flips.
 
* The track still needs a lightmap, which is already planned.
 
* The spike in the middle of the road is currently barely visible, and should either be clarified or removed.
 
* Default item route after the mushroom section shouldn't cut through the off-road.
 
* All relevant bugs in #submission-bug-reports
 
 
 
<u>'''Suggestions:'''</u>
 
* It would be super cool if the gem rotated.
 
* The texture on the rock structure to the right is very stretched, and could be adjusted.
 
* Underwater road could be smoothened
 
* Corners should be cut on all three flip ramps, not just the middle one
 
* Could use fog AREAs to make the interior darker and the underwater blue, for example.
 
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| [[Fort Francis]]
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
 
| 2.2
 
| Maple Treeway
 
| Block Plaza
 
| 3
 
| 1&times;
 
| <u>'''Mandatory Changes:'''</u>
 
* Background visuals could be improved beyond their current state, which is primarily a blue void. Given the visual style of the track and the current version being incredibly faithful to the original game, something along the lines of simple 2d hills, trees, clouds, etc. would probably do the job, but this is up to interpretation
 
* The spiral is too tight for most vehicles (even Flame Runner is forced onto a few specific lines); this should be widened
 
* The second flip ramp should be made so that the entire ramp is the height of the right side of the ramp, since there is no incentive for players to take the higher ramp
 
* The ending shroom cut is barely possible shroomless with a TF input and should be adjusted so that this is impossible
 
* The lap 3 route is currently both slower (due to the cannon) and somewhat polarizing due to the provided opportunity for free shock-dodging in team events (due to the cannon); many people suggested reworking it to not involve a cannon
 
* On fast paces in time trials, the lap 3 route opens up too late to be accessible
 
* A couple people suggested improving intro cameras, with one suggestion being a close-up shot of Francis himself as a way of referencing the track's theme
 
* The window at the spiral was mistaken on first playthrough for the main route by multiple people, since it doesn't look like a window until you're basically in the turn (at which point you're already committed to going forwards)
 
* Bill routes at the lap 3 route can be activated early
 
* Respawns towards the end of the track are slightly too punishing
 
 
 
<u>'''Suggestions:'''</u>
 
* Some textures are blurry; consider LOD bias or neat mip filtering
 
* Council thinks this would look cool with shading of some sort, and said to reach out of you are interested and need help
 
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| [[Interstellar Laboratory]]
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
 
| 2.0 Beta 1.2
 
| Rainbow Road
 
| Rainbow Road
 
| 3
 
| 1&times;
 
| <u>'''Mandatory Changes:'''</u>
 
* Replace placeholder materials/textures with finalized work
 
* Adjust shortcut platform like discussed: Flatten and make normal trick
 
* The startline boost ramp is blind and punishing; add much more generous invisible walls
 
* Slightly rebalance lab item sets with discussed plan
 
* Respawns (especially near shortcut) are too harsh
 
* Fix Z-fighting places in lab
 
* Clean up dark/oversaturated shading in some areas (city, metal road)
 
* All relevant bugs in #submission-bug-reports
 
 
 
<u>'''Suggestions:'''</u>
 
* Translucent start ramp / other visual indicator to make the first jump not blind at all, if feasible.
 
* Redo your lightmap UVs. The weird dark shading in the city appears to be from overlapping/degenerate mapping, which if corrected would improve other areas too
 
* Finish adding the space goomba
 
* Add animated objects to the background to make the course come alive.
 
* Lag permitting, bake lighting for your trees (currently unshaded)
 
* Consider additive blending on translucent surfaces to 1) reduce visual artifacting and 2) look better.
 
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| [[N64 Wario Stadium (bugsy)]]
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
 
| 1.0
 
| GCN Waluigi Stadium
 
 
| GCN Waluigi Stadium
 
| GCN Waluigi Stadium
 
| 2
 
| 2
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* Some members found the offroad corner cut to be a bit underwhelming. One option could be bringing back the v1.0 shroomcut, or even expanding on a niche multi-shroom cut, if you want to get creative. [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/217126063803727872/1181583988700233788/Replay_2023-12-05_13-11-10.mp4]
 
* Some members found the offroad corner cut to be a bit underwhelming. One option could be bringing back the v1.0 shroomcut, or even expanding on a niche multi-shroom cut, if you want to get creative. [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/217126063803727872/1181583988700233788/Replay_2023-12-05_13-11-10.mp4]
 
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|-
| [[Toad's Temple]]
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| [[Thunder City (The World That Never Was)|Thunder City]]
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
 
| 2.0
 
| 2.0
| Wario's Gold Mine
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| Moonview Highway
| Wario's Gold Mine
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| Moonview Highway
| 2
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| 3
| 1&times;
 
| <u>'''Mandatory Changes:'''</u>
 
* Rework item sets as discussed
 
* Clarify first shroom cut
 
* Fix overlapping mushrooms
 
* Fix too-low platform on the left in platforms section
 
* Remove custom MT color for accessibility reasons
 
* Fix all bugs in ⁠#submission-bug-reports
 
 
 
<u>'''Suggestions:'''</u>
 
* Buff shroom cut in the 5-route section
 
* General de-jank-ification as discussed
 
* Add custom blooper
 
* Add Toad singing chandelier
 
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| [[Vacay Bay]]
 
| {{maybe|Needs Fixes}}
 
| 2.0
 
| GCN Peach Beach
 
| GCN Peach Beach
 
| 2
 
 
| 1&times;
 
| 1&times;
 
| <u>'''Mandatory Changes:'''</u>
 
| <u>'''Mandatory Changes:'''</u>
* Geyser issues, invisible wall entering coaster, crash issues, and other bugs must be addressed.
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* Remove the OOB and the ledge right after the first flip ramp, or at least lower it to prevent over-low tricking the ramp. OOB isn't needed there as long as the ledge is removed.
* The Cheep Chomp Cut needs a significant rework for many reasons; ideas for reworking the shortcut included a buoy that could allow for the bounce, using the other cheep cheep to cut off less (and reworking the rollercoaster to accomodate this), or scrapping the cheep cheep altogether and instead slanting the u-turn of the rollercoaster such as to allow for a gap jump.
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* Move the tree from the shroomless shortcut, as it's blind and somewhat intrusive.
* The roller-coaster needs faster paced gameplay. This could include more boost panels on uphill sections, adding sticky road to replicate the jarring downhill drops of a roller coaster, adding conveyors/water streams to replicate the thrilling nature of a coaster ride, rescaling sections of it, or many other ideas. The core idea here: faster-paced gameplay.
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* Rework the city shortcut. Current issues are that it can both be done shroomless and can be overshot entirely, counting you OOB; and that the exit of the shortcut gives too much air. Making the platform larger but with a flat exit would be one possible remedy.
* Trick consistency at the very end is questionable: either widen the trickable area in order to ensure consistent tricks or, as suggested by a couple members, remove the tricks entirely to increase the skill ceiling of the section by requiring a precise set of alignments and wheelies to take optimally. Make sure that the slopes of these bumps are shallow enough so as to not cancel wheelies.
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* The boardwalk section should be reworked to bring back some of the old version's tech and driving flow. A few things:
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** The ramp should stay a flip ramp (like the OG, a double flip too), but it should be angled higher similar to the old version and not send the racer as far outwards.
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** The reject road should be removed on the boardwalk. The previous bullet point will help mitigate issues with overshooting the boardwalk from the flip ramp, and the reject road is borderline non-functional as is.
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** A key element of the boardwalk was its driving flow on the old version.
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*** Though it obviously had issues with regards to its playability outside of a competitive setting, this driving element should be recreated a bit more.
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*** This could be done, among other things, by reintroducing some of the air pockets that made driving the old one so satisfying. A key point is bringing back the tech of going off the top of the first banked turn to land at the bottom of the second turn. Talk to an admin for more details.
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*** Steepening the incline of the boardwalk and removing sticky road will help with this, as will frequent playtesting.
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* The boardwalk shroom shortcut should be made shroom only or removed (removing it would probably be better for online, as it'd take away an OP catchup spot right at the end of the track leading to less luck-based races). Should a shroom cut there be kept, the rock should be modified so as to reduce intrusiveness.
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* The finish line in the KMP does not match the visual finish line.
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* Remove the early finish strategy.
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* Fix KMP, and model issues, and anything else reported in ⁠submission-bug-reports.
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* Myriad KCL issues.
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* Rain effect should only be present outdoors and not when in a tunnel, for example.
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* Visual model does not match the collision on the cars.
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* Water material has rendering issues, especially with regards to the sea floor texture.
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* Item sets could potentially use reworking, discuss in the thread before finalizing placements.
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* Cannon should be immediately after the ramp to prevent an unfortunate target shock or FIB off the track.
  
 
<u>'''Suggestions:'''</u>
 
<u>'''Suggestions:'''</u>
* More obstacles would help; especially given the size of the track, it feels rather empty without more enemies and other obstacles.
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* A number of council members remarked that they preferred when the uphill to the left of the cave was a shortcut with items in it, even if it didn't save much.
* More background elements would help give a bit more life to the track as well. Improving animations on the existing background elements would be beneficial as well: see the swimming toads by the underwater coaster.
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* Animating the skybox to bring out the "thunder" in "Thunder City" could be cool.
* An additional smaller cut might help balance out the track in the wake of a nerf to the former cheep cheep cut. Workshop this with council. Highly recommended
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* Intro cams don't focus enough on the track.
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* Potentially re-add the slow ramps towards the end, as they helped player interaction and driving flow.
 
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| [[Wario's Climate Cataclysm]]
 
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| [[Boneyard Badlands]]
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| {{No|Rejected [03/10]}}
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| 1.0
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| Dry Dry Ruins
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| Dry Dry Ruins
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| 3
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| 1&times;
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| Though an impressive track for one of the author's first, this track was ultimately rejected by council due to heavy visual and gameplay concerns.
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Council's biggest concern was with the gameplay of the track. Most agreed that the layout was too simple, and there was a lot of room for improvement with it. A few mentioned that the road was too narrow in most sections, and that the tricks off of the bones near the end were rather awkward and oftentimes sent the player too high. The bone section near the start was regarded as being rather blind on the bottom, and giving unsatisfying airtime on the top. It was also generally agreed that the road itself was too bumpy. Council was mixed on the use of slippery road; some members praised it for the unique driving offered while others criticized it for not combining well with the narrow road width. A few also agreed that the cave shortcut at the end was too unbalanced compared to the track's current length, and suggested that there should be more, tinier shortcuts scattered around the course instead.
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Visually, council found this track to be polished, yet still with much room for improvement. Members praised the visual style that harks back to Bone Dry Dunes from Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, and the objects that mimic Mario Kart Double Dash's style. However, council also agreed that the landscape itself is rather barren. It was generally concurred that the environment did not have much variety, and that the bone theme could be pushed further with more decorations around the track relating to it. A suggestion from council is to animate characters doing things relating to the track's environment, one such example being archeologist Koopa Troopas inspecting fossils in the sides of the cliffs.
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Overall, this is a decent track and one that is polished well, however it would require a very major overhaul to make the mark for CTGP. That being said, as this is the author's 2nd track, it is apparent that they are more than capable of honing their skills into making another track that is more suited for the pack.
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| [[GBA Rainbow Road (SpyKid)]]
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| {{No|Rejected [03/30]}}
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| 1.0
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| Rainbow Road
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| Rainbow Road
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| 3
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| 1&times;
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| Though an interesting version of this track due to taking inspiration from the many shortcuts on the MKSC version of this track, council felt that in the CTGP context, this track wouldn't be a suitable replacement for the current version of this track, which is one of the most universally well-liked tracks in the pack.
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On the visual side of things, some praise was directed towards the vintage road texture, but council members brought up the castle's lack of detail, the starbits (which have become something of an unfortunate trope for rainbow roads at this point), and the "modern" road texture as areas for improvement.
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Almost all council members felt that the track's gameplay wouldn't fare well relative to the current version. The current version of GBA Rainbow Road was created in part to reduce the trickspam that characterized old version of GBA Rainbow Road, which reduced player interaction, was not fun to drive, and made catchup difficult. This version brings back all that trickspam, takes away some of the primary areas for catchup on the track (the starting area and the long straight after the first U-turn) by shortening them and adding extra boost panels. Though the shortcuts might be fun in a funroom to mess around with, in the context of a large pack like CTGP issues would emerge: being able to skip much of the track with broken shortcuts generally isn't the best for track balance, and a lack of visible OOB makes the functionality of many of these shortcuts rather opaque.
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Overall, though not a bad version by any means, and a solid option for some other packs, this version likely wouldn't succeed in CTGP, both for the points listed above and for the immense popularity of the current version of the track.
 
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| [[Lava Road (FireLuigi & Caron)|Lava Road (Caron, FireLuigi, ZPL)]]
 
| [[Lava Road (FireLuigi & Caron)|Lava Road (Caron, FireLuigi, ZPL)]]
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Overall, remaking this track remains a significant undertaking given the relatively simple layout of the original. Council members saw this track as a sign of improvement in Marianne's track making abilities; however, this track would still need a significant amount of improvement in visuals and gameplay to fit into the pack.
 
Overall, remaking this track remains a significant undertaking given the relatively simple layout of the original. Council members saw this track as a sign of improvement in Marianne's track making abilities; however, this track would still need a significant amount of improvement in visuals and gameplay to fit into the pack.
 
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|-
| [[Sandcastle Park (SpyKid & ZPL)]]
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| [[Sandcastle Park]]
 
| {{No|Rejected [01/20]}}
 
| {{No|Rejected [01/20]}}
 
| 2.0
 
| 2.0
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| 1&times;
 
| 1&times;
 
|Though council recognized this update as a significant improvement over prior iterations of the track, especially visually, it ultimately felt that the layout and visual package presented by this track wouldn't fit well into CTGP. Visually, though the lightmap and improved texturing was welcomed, the sandcastle theme was left largely unrealized aside from the generally sandy environment and background; in other words, it didn't feel integrated into the layout (as a point of contrast, for example, see Sandy Citadel). Gameplay-wise, though the track's simple layout did gain some appreciation from members, they generally felt that the track suffered from a lack of driving variety and an overpowered one-shroom shortcut (which would make it into a pure luck track, even moreso than previous versions where the cut took two shrooms). Overall, though the original version of this track was impressive for its time, this version feels limited by the constraints of that original layout, given the relative lack of checks on creativity enjoyed by modern CT creators. A spiritual successor to Sandcastle Park that reimagines the track and better integrates the theme would have more potential in the context of CTGP.
 
|Though council recognized this update as a significant improvement over prior iterations of the track, especially visually, it ultimately felt that the layout and visual package presented by this track wouldn't fit well into CTGP. Visually, though the lightmap and improved texturing was welcomed, the sandcastle theme was left largely unrealized aside from the generally sandy environment and background; in other words, it didn't feel integrated into the layout (as a point of contrast, for example, see Sandy Citadel). Gameplay-wise, though the track's simple layout did gain some appreciation from members, they generally felt that the track suffered from a lack of driving variety and an overpowered one-shroom shortcut (which would make it into a pure luck track, even moreso than previous versions where the cut took two shrooms). Overall, though the original version of this track was impressive for its time, this version feels limited by the constraints of that original layout, given the relative lack of checks on creativity enjoyed by modern CT creators. A spiritual successor to Sandcastle Park that reimagines the track and better integrates the theme would have more potential in the context of CTGP.
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| [[Vacay Bay]]
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| {{No|Rejected [03/20]}}
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| 2.0
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| GCN Peach Beach
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| GCN Peach Beach
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| 2
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| 1&times;
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| This track was previously accepted, but this decision was overturned on re-evaluation.
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As with previous reviews, Council was generally impressed with the track's visuals, as per usual for Squire's tracks. Gameplay issues mentioned in previous reviews remained, however. Many members found the layout to be overscaled. In particular, the roller coaster section was criticized both for its lack of dynamic gameplay and for the Cheep Cheep cut. The Cheep Cheep cut, as stated in previous reviews, suffers issues of being blind, somewhat inconsistent, and not appealing to many demographics of players. The underwater sections also drew criticism due to the geysers and moguls leading to a non-smooth and occasionally janky driving experience.
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Though the track was previously accepted with a number of fixes, with no one willing to make significant model changes in the last six months, many members had no faith that any fixes would be done in coming months, and felt that the track would fail to stand out in the present day pack. Without a significant overhaul to fully address the issues brought up in the three prior review cycles for this track, a future for this track in CTGP is unlikely, despite its significant merits that led to its prior acceptance.
 
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At the end of the day, Council preferred the current version to this rendition due to this version not having enough complexity to try to save this track from the pack. It was agreed that major changes would need to be made for this track to have a shot at acceptance. That being said, this submission was still a solid effort from Funky Racer.
 
At the end of the day, Council preferred the current version to this rendition due to this version not having enough complexity to try to save this track from the pack. It was agreed that major changes would need to be made for this track to have a shot at acceptance. That being said, this submission was still a solid effort from Funky Racer.
 
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|-
| [[GCN Mushroom City (ZPL)]]
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| [[GCN Mushroom City (Torran)]]
 
| {{No|Rejected}}
 
| {{No|Rejected}}
 
| 1.1
 
| 1.1
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-The shadow map is very pixelated in some sections.
 
-The shadow map is very pixelated in some sections.
 
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|-
| [[Rainbow Road DX]]
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| [[Rainbow Road DX (Saiveeon)|Rainbow Road DX]]
 
| {{no|Rejected}}
 
| {{no|Rejected}}
 
| 1.0-beta2.1
 
| 1.0-beta2.1
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| Does not pass initial quality checks.
 
| Does not pass initial quality checks.
 
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| [[Coastal Pathway]]
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| [[Citadel Magenta]]
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| {{no|Rejected}}
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| RC2
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| Grumble Volcano
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| Grumble Volcano
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| 3
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| 1&times;
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| Does not pass initial quality checks.
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|-
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| [[Coastal Pathway]]
 
| {{no|Rejected}}
 
| {{no|Rejected}}
 
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| &ndash;
 
| &ndash;
 
| &ndash;
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| Does not pass initial quality checks.
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|-
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| [[DKR Spaceport Alpha]]
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| {{no|Rejected}}
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| 1.0
 +
| Rainbow Road
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| Rainbow Road
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| 3
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| 1&times;
 
| Does not pass initial quality checks.
 
| Does not pass initial quality checks.
 
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| GBA Bowser Castle 3
 
| GBA Bowser Castle 3
 
| &ndash;
 
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| [[GBA Luigi Circuit (Iggy Ze Koopa)]]
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| {{no|Rejected}}
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| GCN Mario Circuit
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| GCN Mario Circuit
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| Coconut Mall
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Revision as of 17:28, 15 April 2024

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This is the track wishlist for CTGP Revolution.
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Introduction

This list is for new tracks that have not yet been added to CTGP-R. Please indicate the desired track and music slots in the proper fields. All tracks will be put through the track testing process by the CTGP Track Council and the CTGP Track Testing Server. The decision to accept or reject a track lies solely with the CTGP Track Council, with MrBean35000vr having the last word about tracks.

To submit a track, please put the track in the "Unreviewed Tracks" table, and make sure to give it the "Submitted" tag. If a track is updated while still in the testing process, feel free to put the track back in the section that it was originally in, but make sure to indicate that it was updated with the "Updated" tag. Do NOT re-submit a track version that was already submitted previously. You may ONLY submit a track if you are directly credited as an author or designer of said track. If you submit a track that you are not credited for, it will be removed. If your track has been previously reviewed before, please give it the "Submitted" tag as well, as opposed to a "Rejected" tag or any other tag.

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Disclaimer
CTGP has bore witness to over a decade of new custom tracks, a period of time in which standards have continuously risen. For this reason, the modern-day selection process, run by us members of the CTGP Track Council, is intensive and relies upon many dedicated players engaging in extensive evaluations in order to judge and bugtest tracks.

Our mission is to introduce polished tracks to CTGP. We cannot dedicate these manhours into thoroughly detailing any issues with tracks that, at a mere first glance, blatantly do not meet our standards; our resources are best directed towards tracks that prove themselves as candidates with significant potential for CTGP. For this reason, our first priority is selecting these tracks, then followed by producing reports of thorough tests; if a track cannot pass the former, we have better things to do than perform the latter.
We, unfortunately, must reserve the right not to be obligated to treat all tracks equally.

As such, if any submitted track clearly does not meet the quality standard of modern-day CTGP tracks, it will therefore be moved to the Rejected Tracks table with the tag "Does not pass initial quality checks."
Disclaimer
As of the year 2021, it has been required of the Council to do a re-evaluation of any track that has been accepted every 6 months until it is ready to be added to CTGP. We apologize for any inconveniences this may cause. If anyone has any questions about the status of their track, please DM bento (@bentokage), Cotni (@cotni), Echo (@rocksaltwa), or JC (@jcmkw) on Discord.

It should also be noted that the following list of tracks are unable to be reviewed for addition to CTGP for varying reasons:

  • New tracks from Mario Kart 8 (due to potential copyright).
    • Note: Retro remakes of tracks that appeared in Mario Kart 8 (e.x. SNES Donut Plains 3) are still eligible for review.
  • New tracks from Mario Kart Tour (due to potential copyright).
    • Note: Retro remakes of tracks that appeared in Mario Kart Tour (e.x. SNES Koopa Beach 2) are still eligible for review.
  • Any texture hack of a current CTGP track, or of a previously reviewed / rejected track, that does not fix the issue(s) given for the track.
  • Any track that crashes your game upon load (yes, these have been submitted before).
  • Any track that is directly based after a real-life company or organization that may cause potential copyright issues (e.x. Burger King Drive-Thru).
  • Any track that is directly based after a real-life person, mostly for liability purposes (e.x. Troy's Teespring Trek).
  • Any track that has a speedmod value below 1.0 (e.x. half-speed mods).
  • Any track that has the Item Position Bug present.

New Tracks

Legend

Ready The track has been accepted and has no known issues; it will be included in a future CTGP update.
Needs Fixes The track has been accepted (or is a proposed update to an already existing CTGP track), but the author is currently working on a new update to the track to fix bugs and various other issues.
Rejected The track has been rejected since it was last tested.
Submitted The track has been submitted for review.
Updated The track was previously submitted for review, but has been updated before the review period ended.
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Add new tracks to the topmost table! If you don't, your course will stay un-reviewed!

Unreviewed Tracks

Track Status Track Slot Music Slot Laps Speed Mod Notes
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The tracks below have already been selected for review!

Accepted Tracks

Ready

Track Status Track Slot Music Slot Laps Speed Mod Notes
Area 64 Ready N64 Bowser's Castle SNES Ghost Valley 2 3
Darkness Temple Ready Bowser's Castle Bowser's Castle 3
Fort Francis Ready Maple Treeway Block Plaza 3
Lava Road (Renegade Ciara) Ready Bowser's Castle Bowser's Castle 3
SNES Choco Island 2 (Slimeserver) Ready N64 DK's Jungle Parkway N64 DK's Jungle Parkway 3
Toad's Temple Ready Wario's Gold Mine Wario's Gold Mine 2
Toadette's Castle (FunkyRacer) Ready Bowser's Castle DS Twilight House 2
Volcanic Skyway (bento & Metabus) Ready DS Desert Hills DS Desert Hills 3

Needs Fixes

Track Status Ver. Track Slot Music Slot Laps Speed Mod Notes
Interstellar Laboratory Needs Fixes 2.0 Beta 1.2 Rainbow Road Rainbow Road 3 Mandatory Changes:
  • Replace placeholder materials/textures with finalized work
  • Make the space station shortcut two shroom: raise the station a bit, make the top fully flat offroad, make it all sticky road, remove the trick ramp at the end of it, and remove the trick at the end of it.
  • Extend fences around the second turn of the track to prevent an annoying and barely-faster shroomless
  • Clean up KCL: fall boundaries too low, etc.
  • Clean up KMP: Bill routes, harsh respawns, etc.
  • Fix Z-fighting
  • Clean up dark/oversaturated shading in some areas (city, metal road)
  • Fix moire patterning throughout the track
  • Update minimap to include new shortcuts
  • Fix goomba helmet flickering
  • All relevant bugs in #submission-bug-reports (fall boundaries are too low, bad bill routes, etc)

Suggestions:

  • Improve lighting throughout the track, including the trees (which are currently unshaded). Adding more emissive sources inside would help, and having the glowing buildings also emit some light would be smart as well.
  • Consider additive blending on translucent surfaces to 1) reduce visual artifacting and 2) look better.
  • Change out a few of the out-of-place vanilla game textures, as they stick out in the space environment
  • Redesign or remove the zipper in the city section, as it often sends you in an unfortunate direction and enables a niche cut over the building with a wallclip.
N64 Wario Stadium (bugsy) Needs Fixes 1.0 GCN Waluigi Stadium GCN Waluigi Stadium 2 This track has been re-reviewed and subsequently accepted due to the track's recent ban in the Grand Star Cup competitive league as well as strong public demand for the track to be added. The author has released a blueprint of his plans for futher developing the track [1]; this feedback is based on that plan.

Mandatory Changes:

  • After the fifth turn, adding a second bump such that the fastest strategy involves wheelieing over the first bump and getting a low trick off the front of the second bump would be appreciated.
  • The flip ramp shortcut could be buffed a bit by cutting more off, should it need to become the main shroomspot. [2]
  • There was decently strong pushback on the shroomless shortcut from throughout council. It doesn't save much time, but due to it requiring racers to travel perpendicular to the road, it will be extremely blockable and laggy online. Options for revision include making it shroom-only or allowing for multiple viable shroomless angles, among other alternatives.
  • The straight after humps should be reworked to require more driving tech, as opposed to just two normal tricks. It doesn't need to be the same as the current version, but this section on the current version is loved for the myriad ways to take it fast and the unintuitive but satisfying tech the set of three humps present.
  • U-turn after shouldn't have OOB tight of the grate, just widen the grate for intuitiveness.

To Be Polled:

  • Lap Count
  • TT Shroomspot involving the bonk
Sandy Clocktower Needs Fixes 1.01 DS Desert Hills DS Desert Hills 3 Need to address first ramp concerns and stuff about the shortcut.
Stickerbush Serenity Needs Fixes 2.1 Mushroom Gorge Mushroom Gorge 3 Mandatory Changes:
  • Many council members would prefer the cannon at the start to be trickable.
  • The flip trick on the final shortcut should be indicated, and the stunt trick immediately prior should be non-trickable, both for lack of indication and because the stunt trick usually sends racers off the track.
  • Backwards NLC by going backwards after cannon before going forwards. It would be better to just extend the checkpoints to cover the starting platform and cannon.
  • KCL needs a good bit of polish - the bridge tricks are a particular culprit.
  • Far too generous respawn for failing gap, to the point of it likely being used as a shock-dodge strategy.
  • Trickable KCL in the hut should be reduced - the wooden ramps shouldn't give such frequent early tricks, and only the far side of the platform with the mud that racers would trick off when not taking the shortcut should be trickable so as to prevent tilting TT strats.
  • All relevant bugs in #submission-bug-reports

Suggestions:

  • If possible, make wheelie moonjump impossible while retaining the hop moonjump.
  • The clouds poking into the road on the downhill and uphill can be a bit tricky to anticipate.
  • Some members found the offroad corner cut to be a bit underwhelming. One option could be bringing back the v1.0 shroomcut, or even expanding on a niche multi-shroom cut, if you want to get creative. [3]
Thunder City Needs Fixes 2.0 Moonview Highway Moonview Highway 3 Mandatory Changes:
  • Remove the OOB and the ledge right after the first flip ramp, or at least lower it to prevent over-low tricking the ramp. OOB isn't needed there as long as the ledge is removed.
  • Move the tree from the shroomless shortcut, as it's blind and somewhat intrusive.
  • Rework the city shortcut. Current issues are that it can both be done shroomless and can be overshot entirely, counting you OOB; and that the exit of the shortcut gives too much air. Making the platform larger but with a flat exit would be one possible remedy.
  • The boardwalk section should be reworked to bring back some of the old version's tech and driving flow. A few things:
    • The ramp should stay a flip ramp (like the OG, a double flip too), but it should be angled higher similar to the old version and not send the racer as far outwards.
    • The reject road should be removed on the boardwalk. The previous bullet point will help mitigate issues with overshooting the boardwalk from the flip ramp, and the reject road is borderline non-functional as is.
    • A key element of the boardwalk was its driving flow on the old version.
      • Though it obviously had issues with regards to its playability outside of a competitive setting, this driving element should be recreated a bit more.
      • This could be done, among other things, by reintroducing some of the air pockets that made driving the old one so satisfying. A key point is bringing back the tech of going off the top of the first banked turn to land at the bottom of the second turn. Talk to an admin for more details.
      • Steepening the incline of the boardwalk and removing sticky road will help with this, as will frequent playtesting.
  • The boardwalk shroom shortcut should be made shroom only or removed (removing it would probably be better for online, as it'd take away an OP catchup spot right at the end of the track leading to less luck-based races). Should a shroom cut there be kept, the rock should be modified so as to reduce intrusiveness.
  • The finish line in the KMP does not match the visual finish line.
  • Remove the early finish strategy.
  • Fix KMP, and model issues, and anything else reported in ⁠submission-bug-reports.
  • Myriad KCL issues.
  • Rain effect should only be present outdoors and not when in a tunnel, for example.
  • Visual model does not match the collision on the cars.
  • Water material has rendering issues, especially with regards to the sea floor texture.
  • Item sets could potentially use reworking, discuss in the thread before finalizing placements.
  • Cannon should be immediately after the ramp to prevent an unfortunate target shock or FIB off the track.

Suggestions:

  • A number of council members remarked that they preferred when the uphill to the left of the cave was a shortcut with items in it, even if it didn't save much.
  • Animating the skybox to bring out the "thunder" in "Thunder City" could be cool.
  • Intro cams don't focus enough on the track.
  • Potentially re-add the slow ramps towards the end, as they helped player interaction and driving flow.
Wario's Climate Cataclysm Needs Fixes 1.0 Grumble Volcano Grumble Volcano 3 Mandatory Changes:
  • Make main shroom cut require a second shroom by adding snow offroad to the area behind the crystal, for balance purposes. Should also be smoothed out some, since currently landing on the ice cap eats your speed. (sidenote - make absolutely sure using good crystal placement that it's not possible 1-shroom)
  • Wooden section near the end is incredibly bouncy currently, and can also give you air over the ramp.
  • Extend the l3 ending route to connect to the wall so target shocks aren't extremely deadly.
  • Keep the main shroomless cut, but nerf it by: 1) putting an item set around it, and 2) getting rid of the rocky cone there and widening the road so that the shroomless cut off less.
  • Draw distance issues when facing backwards on the volcanorock pieces (they disappear). These should either be put over a different object, resized to remove these issues, get merged into the course model, or some other creative solution.
  • Reduce the thwomp count on the icy turn from 2 to 1, as multiple council members felt it was overly difficult to drive the section already, and the presence of multiple thwomps exacerbated this issue.
  • Add an arrow on the ice platform before second shroomless. [4]
  • The one differently textured flip ramp should receive a matching boost texture to everything else.
  • Lots of flickering.
  • Respawn from failing big shroom cut is overly generous, and will be used as a broken respawn strat.
  • Make these your item sets (green is a current set to keep, red is a current set to remove, blue is a set to add) [5]. Ask an admin for detailed reasoning, but in short: balance.

Suggestions:

  • Regular snow offroad gives the dirt offroad effect. If you want to fix this, see Atlas' tutorial on the wiiki: Normal Snow Off-Road Tutorial
  • Ending strat could have a jump on the end of it to make it less of a brutal trudge through offroad if you accidentally go on it before lap 3.
  • Jagged road edges at the start are too unforgiving.
Wicked Woods Needs Fixes 2.0 SNES Ghost Valley 2 SNES Ghost Valley 2 3 Mandatory Changes:
  • Trick consistency at first hill could still be improved
  • A trick often doesn't come out when taking the transition from the second to the third block tight, as you get less than the minimum 3 frames of airtime required for a trick to come out.
  • Some of the item boxes at first set are too high to get while small
  • Multiple members expressed a significant preference for the grass at the end to be normal offroad instead of GV offroad, feeling it to be a more natural and more balanced choice from a gameplay perspective.

Suggestions:

  • Could lean a bit harder into the theming in some areas, especially in the section from the exit of the carpet to the first hill.
  • A few members expressed aesthetic discontent with the "carpet grate" before the downhill - perhaps a small jump that gives a view of the downhill ahead would more naturally telegraph the upcoming section, or some other alternative.

Rejected Tracks

Rejected (2024)

Rejected (2023)

Rejected (Pre-2023)


Tracks that were rejected due to not meeting initial quality checks, or due to other generalized reasons, are listed within the spoiler below. These tracks remain rejected; as usual, if resubmitting a track, it must have been updated to address listed issues, and the entry in this table is to be removed.

Rejected due to General Reasons