Talk:Christmas Kart Wii

Christmas Court File Name

What track is Christmas Court replacing? I can help with the file name. Enjoy Funky Kong dancing and peace! 23:27, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

It should be old_mario_sfc.szs, not mario_sfc.szs. Enjoy Funky Kong dancing and peace! 12:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Should this be on the Wiiki?

Hi, assuming that in this distribution there are texture hacks that are not on the Wiiki (which is what Tragiic said on an edit summary), I don't think this distribution should be on the Wiiki. This is because, by the Published Works Policy, "If content not available on the Wiiki will be included in a distribution available on the Wiiki, either the track author or the distribution author must publish that content on the Wiiki, too". Since we have no idea whether the author of this distribution got the consent from the authors of the texture hacks in question, I think we should not add those texture hacks to the Wiiki, and thus we should not keep this distribution. -- Cealgair (talk|contribs) 08:45, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

We can see once JohnKart adds the tracks. I'll also check them on NoClip if nothing gets added soon. Enjoy Funky Kong dancing and peace! 09:06, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

If neither the author nor the distribution creator adds them, then me or some others will add them ourselves. For example, Darky Kart Wii was on the Wiiki for years with just under half the tracks being published on there, until me and some others created the pages ourselves; this can also be observed for a few texture hack distribution pages which I have edited over the last few months.
I don't imagine this should be a huge problem as the only texture hack which I noticed (so far) is Christmas Circuit (Mario Circuit Texture), created by Ro, who I don't even believe is active anymore, this'll likely only become a problem if it turns out that there is custom tracks in here that are not on the Wiiki or if there are texture hacks from authors who have made it clear they do not want their content on the Wiiki (chances of this happening are almost 0).
TL;DR Yes, don't worry. Tragiic (talk | contribs) 09:33, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that the policy of only not putting texture hacks on the Wiiki if the author has explicitly asked so (which I'm gonna call "### policy") is correct, given how strict some of the points in the Published Works Policy are. For example:

* You are only allowed to post freely usable content on this wiki.

* Posting content to the Wiiki grants every current and future Wiiki user the right to use this content for Distributions, to modify this content and to release updated versions of the contents while giving credit to the content creator, even when later removing said content from the Wiki.

* Custom content, once added to the Wiiki, can be included in any Distribution, even if removed from the Wiiki in the future, and the content itself may get mirrored by Wiiki users even if the original download link is deleted.

I don't think every author would necessarily agree with all of these points, even if the author in question hasn't explicitly said that they do not want their content on the Wiiki.

And finally, I don't get why the "### policy" would only apply to texture hacks and not CTs.

I think there should be a discussion about all of this involving some of the mods, because I think this is an issue that needs to be solved sooner or later.

(by the way, I think it's hilarious how in the Published Works Policy you can find all of these spellings: "wiki", "Wiki" and "Wiiki") -- Cealgair (talk|contribs) 11:16, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

"Christmas Circuit" is Christmas Night. --KantoEpic (talk) 16:13, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I put it] on the talk page. I don't think it only applies to textures. We don't even know what's in the distribution. I'm checking in NoClip. Enjoy Funky Kong dancing and peace! 11:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Just to clarify (even though this is probably pointless, given what KantoEpic probably meant in a comment below): I said that I don't get why the "### policy" would only apply to texture hacks because Tragiic said "this'll likely only become a problem if it turns out that there is custom tracks in here that are not on the Wiiki or if there are texture hacks from authors who have made it clear they do not want their content on the Wiiki" and the difference between the two parts I highlighted in bold didn't make sense to me. -- Cealgair (talk|contribs) 19:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

The distribution itself uses a distribution by MarioPower55 as a base. I think this should tell you everything. --KantoEpic (talk) 16:13, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

If you're telling me that in this distribution there is no content that isn't already on the Wiiki, yes, I'll call this "case" solved. -- Cealgair (talk|contribs) 19:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

From what I can gather, the only track that is not on the Wiiki is the Maple Treeway texture hack by Julian65 and Xeto94 called "Winter Woods", a leftover from the distribution's base. I doubt you will get an answer from either one of them if it can be published. --KantoEpic (talk) 20:12, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I personally say we just create a page for it, like we have in the past. Trainiax/SwampyGator (talk | contribs) 20:15, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I disagree with Trainiax here. I think that adding something to the Wiiki without the consent of the author is wrong, given how strict some of the points in the Published Works Policy (see my own comment above). I get that if both of the authors in this case are basically inaccessible, then their work becomes "orphaned", and I agree that it should be preserved by someone else in some form. But again, given the strictness of the Published Works Policy I don't think the Wiiki is the right place to do this. -- Cealgair (talk|contribs) 22:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)