Talk:Rules

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• 2012-10

Rules Discussion

• Custom Tracks articles without download links that have been on the Wiiki for more than 2 months but do not have any sign of progress are not permitted.

I always think, our wiki is a little bit like an encyclopedia. So articles for old tracks, where the download is lost, must be held in the wiki.

Wiimm 20:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I guess your are misinterprenting this rule a bit. There are plenty of (short) pages which don't show any screenshot or a download link. These pages don't provide any relevant information and therefor not true encyclopedia articles.

kHacker35000vr 20:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I have understood your position, but I wanted to make it clear, the old tracks with complete pages but lost downloads are not affected by this rule.

Wiimm 20:43, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you here, Wiimm - although I'm not sure if my current CT, which I have still yet to get help with making, would still be a valid article. - Ah2190, the Master of Nitrous, (Talk page) posted at 21:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

This modified rule now has the strangest wording I've ever seen for a rule. "Sign of progress" implies that the track is still being worked on which automatically applies to hundreds of tracks that the author has "finished" for the time being. Add in the 2 months and you've filtered to all articles whose progress has no longer changed in 2 months without a download link. You also neglected to change the rule to apply to not just Custom Tracks but all Custom Modifications as well such as Texture Hacks and Custom Characters. If I were to seriously start marking violations using this new rule I would probably find one hundred or so pages. However, I will hold off for the time being because the rule is worded so ridiculously that I can't take the rule seriously. And please, next time you wish to change a rule, at least consult the rest of us before you do so and get a native English speaker to word it so that I don't have to bash my head against the desk every time I read it. --Torran 01:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I have changed it because the previous rule was just nonsense. Tracks that are in progress don't have an in game picture and if there is enough information or a download it can still be deleted for the lack of ingame pictures? I have modified this rule a bit just because many in progress track pages are violating this rule. I am aware that it is incomplete but that previous rule was just horrible an I wonder how it ever got trough.

kHacker35000vr 09:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

You could also change it to: Articles about unfinished files that are on the wiiki for more than two months, but show no sign of progress can and will be deleted without warning.

Not updating a page isn't really something you should be banned for, what "not permitted" does imply. But it could get your page deleted. This way all the old articles about finished CT's are not affected either. --Vulcanus2 11:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure about the "without warning" part - I would say to give at least a week's notice and, if they don't make an update, then delete them. - Ah2190, the Master of Nitrous, (Talk page) posted at 12:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

That wouldn't work either. What defines a file as "finished" and what defines it as "unfinished"? All of my tracks are currently "unfinished" and I'm guessing that a good part of the Wiiki hosts files that are still "unfinished" to this day. Only the creator of the file can judge whether or not a file is "finished" or "unfinished" anyway and there's no way that I am going to confront every single creator and ask them to label their files as such or if said creator is even around anymore. --Torran 13:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

This whole rule is either subjective or complete bullshit, the best thing is to just remove it in general. --Vulcanus2 13:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

If that's what the rule actually means then I'm gonna have a field day with this one, especially if I apply it to texture hacks. Still, your rule counts any track that's shown no signs of progress, which is pretty much every old track. If MediaFire suddenly decides to mass delete our links (which they have been doing), suddenly every single one of those pages become violations. The only thing copyright holders can't delete are the videos, especially if there are so many of them. --Torran 13:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

This is what the rules used to say: Custom Tracks, that are for longer than 2 month not released and don't have any Wii Ingame Video/Pictures, will be removed from this Wiki. I changed the wording to this a few months ago: Custom Tracks articles that have been on the Wiiki for more than 2 months but do not have any in-game video or pictures will be deleted. That's pretty simple. If someone is working on a track, the least they can do is post a screenshot when they make a page for their track. That's a simple request, and anyone can do it without special software, just press print screen, paste into an image program, save the file, then upload. If a page for an unreleased track gets deleted, that's not a huge loss. If a track has been released, people almost always make videos of the newest tracks. Although the rules say a page without images or video will be deleted, if there's a working track download, that shouldn't happen. In the unlikely case that someone doesn't make a video, the very least we can do as moderators of the wiki is open the track with CTools and take a screenshot. That only takes a couple of minutes, solves the problem, and doesn't needlessly remove a track page. I prefer that we take a constructive approach to problems like this rather than a punitive approach. Accordingly we should not "delete without warning." A lot of track makers are very young and have never used a wiki before, while many others are not fluent in English. Warnings serve to inform them of the rules and give them a chance to fix things. Again, it's better to be constructive, and always give simple, informative warnings. --Jefe 14:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)