Talk:Hex Editing Guide

Hey SM64DS, do you know the difference between sentence and paragraph? -- Wiimm 20:44, 12 March 2012 (CET)

I have no idea if you are intending to rude with that question... If so, I am very disapointed in you. I don't even get that question... Both sentances and Paragraphs exist in in this guide. It is not done yet, I am busy right now. You can easily put them together into a Paragraph if you wish, however I always seem to write as if it were a post. If this bothers you, then fix it... With the 1% Chance that you decided to randomly ask me such and odd question, yes. A sentence is a sentence (It ends with a . ? or !, must be a complete sentence). Paragraphs are multiple sentences not separated by large spaces, they are separated on by short spaces and . ? or !. See? I just wrote a Paragraph, and you wrote a sentence... -- SuperMario64DS, 21:12, 12 March 2012 (CET)

I believe what Wiimm meant was this:

These are sentences:

Now, most of you reading this may already know most of this. However, it is recommended that you read all of this section, as it will help both you and your mind to understand how numbers with different bases work.

Decimal numbers are what you've probably learned about and known your whole life.

Decimal, is basicly a way of counting Numbers based on 10. If you hadn't noticed, Decimal numbers reset at every 10 Numbers. That is why we have numbers like 11, for example. All you are doing here is re-counting the basic 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9, except you add a number on the end.

To put it more simply, the only Numbers that exist in decimal are 0-9. Every time the last number (9) is reached, it has to start over.

However, it cannot constantly reset, so it must become larger. In order to do that, it must take the next unused number (1), and stick a 0 on the end because that is the first number.

If you are wondering why it skips to 1 for 10 instead of using 0, read this simple explanation:

This is a paragraph:

Now, most of you reading this may already know most of this. However, it is recommended that you read all of this section, as it will help both you and your mind to understand how numbers with different bases work. Decimal numbers are what you've probably learned about and known your whole life. Decimal, is basicly a way of counting Numbers based on 10. If you hadn't noticed, Decimal numbers reset at every 10 Numbers. That is why we have numbers like 11, for example. All you are doing here is re-counting the basic 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9, except you add a number on the end. To put it more simply, the only Numbers that exist in decimal are 0-9. Every time the last number (9) is reached, it has to start over. However, it cannot constantly reset, so it must become larger. In order to do that, it must take the next unused number (1), and stick a 0 on the end because that is the first number. If you are wondering why it skips to 1 for 10 instead of using 0, read this simple explanation:

See Creating a Minimap for examples of good tutorial writing style.

Here are my two cents: do not pull out the "rude much" card every time someone attempts to critique your work. After all, peer reviewing can be the best kind of advice you know. Also, writing style isn't something that you ask someone to simply "fix". It is something that you have to develop through trial and error. As a person whose first language is English, I am very disappointed in you. --Torran 02:04, 13 March 2012 (CET)

The only problem I had with what Wiimm said... It is rude. There is a major difference between being a Critique and being rude. Not to mention quite often people specificly on this Wiki often see an error, and only complain about it and not correct it themselves. Wiimm did not have to say that. As I've said multiple times, "That should have been communicated through PM". I don't see how that can be taken as decent judgement, whether it was sarcasm or ECT. If people would have been nice to me when I first arrived here, I wouldn't be so defensive about things like this. If Wiimm was being rude, then yes, I am disapointed in him. Out of most people I expect the most from him. I also stated if he was being rude. Please! Every page I make, it's talk page becomes some type of war zone! If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all! If you have a problem with something I've done, PM Me! Everyone assumes that I am getting offensive over criticism, however the past two (And only two) cases were based on Bad Language, which had nothing to to with criticism at all, and then somebody always jumps in and says I am mistaking Criticism. I did also say if he was being rude... So I tried to answer the question in three different directions, because I was unsure what he was intending with that question. -- SuperMario64DS 03:15, 13 March 2012 (CET)

You call my single sentence "rude"? I thing it was a friendly (and a little be joking) kind to tell you some critics about you layout. And I won't edit your text as long your are working on it and give you a chance to to it by yourself. And it is my personal decision with medium I use to tell you.

I wrote a single sentence as hint and you wrote 2 much more aggressive paragraphs. Now tell me, what is more rude?

Wiimm 07:24, 13 March 2012 (CET)

I'm playing devil's advocate here so to be fair, your rhetorical question could be seen as rude because it questions the intelligence, or lack thereof, of the reader. It's a smart remark that can be seen in two ways depending on the person reading it. I can see how SM64DS could have read the sentence in a mocking tone as apposed to a more playful one. --Torran 13:59, 13 March 2012 (CET)

Wrong Content

There are some wrong statements in the article. The first paragraph has at least 2 bugs or bad written statements:

• 9 and F are not the highest decimal/hex numbers, but they are the highest digits.
• A byte has more than 100 different decimal values.

Hex numbers are only an other representation of numbers. The advantage is, that 2 hex digits has the same value range as one byte and that an experience user can directly see, which bit are sets.

Why not give a short introduction (I think, I have read here in the wiki some good and short intro in another article) and than linking to the details Wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal

Hanno 20:58, 13 March 2012 (CET)

Do you mean this: KMP_Editing#Hexadecimal_Numbers? But this isn't good. But I agree: Short info and link.

Wiimm 21:04, 13 March 2012 (CET)

I am sorry for getting some things wrong. I did only start learning about Hex truly Yesterday. Was it Decent enough for someone who just started Learning all of this stuff? Some things like mistaking what a Bit was my own confusion (I thought I recall seeing that somewhere, but I am obviously wrong), while things like stating that F & 9 are the highest numbers all together must have been worded wrong, because I don't recall ever stating that they were the higest, but if I did, my bad. Would you say though that what I wrote was good enough for someone who just started on the subject? -- SuperMario64DS 23:41, 13 March 2012 (CET)

I have changed the context a bit, probably it was my fault.

kHacker35000vr 07:31, 14 March 2012 (CET)

Two Guides

Now we have 2 hex editing guides:

• Hex Editing Guide (this one)
• Hex Editing (an older one)

Both are started by SuperMario64DS and both contains wrong details. I want to bring it into a short article and follow Hannos directive:

Why not give a short introduction (I think, I have read here in the wiki some good and short intro in another article) and than linking to the details Wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal.

I prefer »Hex Editing« as article name because it makes referencing in sentences easier.
Wiimm 10:02, 24 March 2012 (CET)

You can do whatever you want. I would prefer that anything wrong would be corrected, it would only help me learn. I'm not exactly sure what content is wrong with the previous guide. Not so much with this one either. If you'd like to merge the two, edit, delete, or whatever, you can. But remember, you have to imagine people who know absolutely nothing about the subject. The previous guide did this exactly. Even though most of you know hex & all, you have to see it from the view of somebody who knows nothing about it at all. For example, when Vulcanus added the Terms to the end of the last article, I was thinking "What the Heck is he Talking about?!". Simply sending users to other pages I think won't help them learn. You almost can't explain Algebra to a first grader, without a basic Knowledge of Math. I'd like to ease people into it. Everyone I've spoken to who knows anything about hex seems to not get that it can be difficult for others. Remember, I have Dyslexia so it's still confusing. I think a perfect guide would be slowly (If longly) easily easing you into the concept. If anything is wrong, I ask that it is corrected for the sake of me and others to learn. I also ask that it's current format stays (Page name can change, and things can be shortened), because tutorials for absolute beginners should be: "What I already know, What this has to do with what I know? What it does, It's purpose, how it works, What does XXX Mean? How do I find XXX?" Anything else would simply be jumping out of a plane without a parachute, because we need to assume that every single person who views this page has absolutely no knowledge on the subject. -- SuperMario64DS 15:59, 24 March 2012 (CET)