Mediafire and copyright claims
As of today, Mediafire has been removing lots of custom content related to MKWii (and that seems to be the only Wii game affected). I've had a texture hack and a model hack removed, and plenty of custom tracks have vanished as well. I suggest trying a different site, maybe your own webserver if possible.
The group involved is Kapow Software.es (who claim to be related to Nintendo, but their own site doesn't list Nintendo as a partner, but instead lists Microsoft).
--Digital Monster, Guilmon35249vr 22:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
- Volcanic Skyway 4 was also removed from Mediafire by the same company due to a copyright claim, and my account was immediately suspended. As such I am revoking the release of Volcanic Skyway 4 entirely, until I can use a patching system or include it in the next version of CTGP-R. I will not continue to upload to any more websites as I do not want to risk being sued or having my YouTube account suspended. If anybody would like to mirror the download, you may do so at your OWN risk. --BigOto 04:11, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
- I'm willing to mirror any download needed, however I must point a few things out:
- YouTube and MediaFire are not affiliated in any way (As far an action on one site effecting the other)
- Many others have both uploaded these hacks & tied them to their YouTube accounts theoretically, and have not received suspension from YouTube.
- The same company, "Kapow Software", was hired to delete all content/modifications (With the addition of un-official expansions) from of the game, The Sims 2. All YouTube videos of such modifications still exist, while the files are now hosted elsewhere.
- Along with the list of deleted tracks, were deleted ISOs and Roms of both Mario Kart 7 & Mario Kart Wii. It should atleast be considered that their filter perhaps mistook Custom Tracks or in game data, seeing that dozens of downloads are still up like these: DS Waluigi Pinball, Cloud Carpet, 3DS Piranha Plant Slide, Codename: BIGBOX, Magma Island (And the list goes on)
- BigOto's MediaFire account was suspended completely suspended, likewise most others who had multiple deleted files. The reason: The filter most like caught a certain file and thought it was an ISO. After then examining the the the account it found multiple files which shared similar data, which a stupid filter would flag as bits of the ISO thus leading to suspension.
- Certain custom tracks were taken down for allegedly being a direct file from the game itself, which only brings the filter further to the conclusion that it had made mistake. Most likely the filer had searched for a long string of data. For example, it may have searched for the data from Mario Circuit. Since this filter was probably programmed to think that the ISO or files may have been split up, it would search for all objects in Mario Cicuit, which flagged the track Volcanic Skyway V4 for containing the objects "Castleballoon > Itembox > Castletree".
- Wouldn't you think think that out of all tracks, Magma Island would have been deleted? Not only is it literally named "volcano_course.szs", but it is un compressed in a zip archive, and is simply Grumble Volcano with a re arranged KMP! (And new model, of course)
- The email anyone received that they believe was "Directly from Nintendo" was not. Examine closer, Nintendo@Kapow.com, not Kapow@Nintendo.com (Although some people have claimed to receive some from "@NOA", which further strengthens the idea of a confused partnership). Just look, the system and/or the person who sent that email obviously doesn't understand how to edit models in BrawlBox, much less even play a custom track. Their filter flagged a track as a piece of the game, send email, done.
- It is improbable that they directly searched any YouTube videos or the Wiki itself. All they would have had to do here is search "MediaFire" and suspend all.
- Lastly, we do not know that Nintendo is directly involved. With MegaUpload's demise, most file sharing Websites have either shut down public sharing or have taken extra precautions to not go the same way. Ever considered that they perhaps have a list of un wanted files so they then contacted Nintendo to get their support? I hightly doubt only Mario kart was effected, as they most likely emailed you about the deleted files within the category your violation was in.
- With the WiiU coming up, 1000s of other hacking communities existing, and millions of dollars to be made, why would Nintendo even give a care about us? Just on small hacking community in the large pool of Brawl-Zelda-Galaxy-64-DS hackers? No. I'm pretty sure that if Nintendo even cared we would have heard from them a lot sooner, and the CTWW would have been disabled by them not allowing external regional races. I recall an overreaction by me when the whole SOPA thing was pending, and this is no less. Obliviously FBI agents aren't going to pull up to your front door and take you away to prison for piracy. Itembox.brres is impossible to use really with a KCL, Model, & KMP, with the addition of a copy of Mario Kart Wii and a Wii. So what on earth could somebody use Itembox.brres without a Wii? "OOh, Distribute over the internet and make millions of dollars!" (No). Obviously we have not received any auto updates, patches, or anything else to prevent us from what we're doing now. Nintendo has moved on from the Wii, seeing that they're letting the hacking scene grow even larger and now that Wiis are no longer manufactured, with the addition of the 3DS, WiiU, and other possible future consoles. No other File sharing website has been effected, no other websites have been harmed. In comparison to murder or theft, distributing Itembox.brres or other related files within an archive full of your own creations that require the purchase of Nintendo products to operate legally is relatively small. It is indeed a law, but nothing Nintendo seems to care about anything that could potentially harm Nintendo because you can't re construct a whole ISO from several custom tracks. And if one choose to use these files with an illegal copy of Mario Kart Wii, then that's where the threatening problem is, --SuperMario64DS 19:32, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
- My (Wiimms) Story:
- My old track directory contains 52 tracks. Mediafire warns me about 5 tracks. I "dismiss"ed all and made immediately the complete track directory "private". All 52 tracks are still available. No more notice of Mediafire.
- Today I have uploaded 61 tracks in the new patch file format. No reaction until now.
- Wiimm 21:22, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
- My Mediafire account was suspended as well. None of my CT links work anymore. --Digital Monster, Guilmon35249vr 17:00, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- 4TLPatis Story
- Well, I (4TLPati) got problems now too. I just got an E-Mail from Mediafire and they deleted my patch files for the two ripped tournaments. The weird thing is that the files weren't even .szs files, just .exe files.
- 4TLPati 1.52 pm, February 12th 2013
THIS SITE GLITCHES
For my character kart wii, it has 2 downloads. however, there is only 1 download PLACE for 1 LINK. The second one doesn't show AT ALL. Even when I put it in the same box, The names glitch. and since 1 is 4shared, unclickable text saying "[4shared.com]" appears and unless I remove the link WILL NOT LEAVE PERIOD!!!!!!! Seriously...?
can ANYONE help me? *I just got the szs modifier.* 11:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Almost no one used the second link for mirrors, so I removed it from the misc info template. Because of that nothing displays in the Download 2 field. Instead post your mirror elsewhere in the article. ALSO POSTING IN CAPS AND USING EXCESSIVE PUNCTUATION MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE SHOUTING!!!!!!! DON'T DO IT!!!!! SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!--Jefe 22:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Tutorial Page Help..
Can someone help me Make a page on the tutorials section? what do i do? do i create a new page like it if were a new character hack? I want to make a tutorial on how to model hack the Vehicles of mario kart wii characters it is very simple.. --Unsigned post by Mikeypr98
- Make a new page and add your tutorial to it. If needed, others can add info and fix it up if it's not up to standards, but at least the tutorial will be there. --Digital Monster, Guilmon35249vr 17:03, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- I plan to install this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TitleBlacklist
- Discussion needed? Alternatives?
- Wiimm (talk) 10:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Why some people are removed my table from a lot of darkybenji pages? In the table you can see a lot of information! Darky always put some information in the description of his video maybe this:
Track edited : Toad factory
Texture from : Super mario galaxy 2
Music : Super mario galaxy 2 - Fleet Glide galaxy
Download : http://darky.gallery.xooit.fr/t945-Fl...
So it was good, because the people are see why he had this idea for the track Maybe Fleet Glide Galaxy (Toad's Factory Texture) He had the idea from super mario galaxy 2 and the Super mario galaxy 2 - Fleet Glide galaxy-Music is perfect for the track! --Horsti12 (talk) 09:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's no problem that you put all Darky's texture hacks here, but that's all he does, creating texture hacks. All extra information you add has nothing to do with the texture hacks itself.
- kHacker35000vr (talk) 09:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- You can just put "This is a texture hack based on ______." Not a table because people roll their eyes when they see "Texture from: DarkyBenji Imagination".
- And most Texture hacks are made up, so if it isn't based on anything don't put "DarkyBenji Imagination".
- --FunkyDude15 (talk) 14:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- I posted a reply to your post on my user talk page, but I made that without checking to see if a BRSTM was actually included with these texture hacks -- on the ones I just checked they weren't. If there is no music file included, then why mention music at all? You seem to be just copying the music credits from the youtube videos. That is beyond pointless. As I said before, if you add to a page, it should be a description of the track or information about its development. It should be written coherently, and conform to the style used on this wiki. If your posts do not follow those guidelines -- and your posts didn't -- they will be removed. If you continue adding these nonsense tables to pages, it will lead to a ban.--Jefe (talk) 01:47, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Redistributing wiki pages?
- Like as a citation? The main reason that we ask people who make YouTube videos to link to the wiki is so people download the most current version of the track; linking to a specific revision defeats this purpose. The real question is why you would want to host copies of wiki pages on your site. --Jefe (talk) 20:33, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
'user:name' contra 'name' (and the redirections)
I plan to create some pages to prainse some gurus of the scene (Chadderz, MrBean, Wiimm, BigOt2 for example). So I need the page 'Chadders' separated from 'user:chadders'. And I think, there is a logical difference about both paghes.
- 'user:Name' is a self description of a the wiki user 'Name'.
- 'Name' is an encyclopedia page about the scene person 'Name' written in third person.
I think, it is generally a failure to redirect 'Name' to 'user:Name'
- I don't really see the point. The Name pages were created for easy access to the User pages (unless they don't have an account here), and nearly everyone creates User pages. Some are really short, but maybe they already put up all the information they want to.
- -- Have a nice day, from ZillaSpaz 00:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think this would be particularly useful either. It is up to these users how much information they wish to list about themselves. Anything we add needs to be objective, such as a listing of their works on their user link template. If they don't have one, or if it isn't up to date, other wiki users normally will update the template.
- That's really the extent of factual data we should be adding for these users, aside from maybe a link to the user's home page, MKWii forum profile, or youtube, if they have one. Pretty much anything else you would want to say about them would be subjective (therefore not belonging on the wiki), redundant (if it also appears in the user link template), or worse, a potential invasion of the user's privacy. --Jefe (talk) 12:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
News and non working tracks
- How should we handle non working tracks (black screen only)?
- I ask, because Hanno removed Lava Rampage and Torran inserted the news again. In my opinion the news are generally only for working tracks/chars/fonts/etc in beta quality or above.
- Wiimm (talk) 18:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
- Why is this posted here on the Main Page talk? Does he want all his content removed from the Wiiki or something along these lines?
- -- Have a nice day, from ZillaSpaz 01:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
- I think it may be because of "Sunshine Way" rather than "Sunshineway". If he really quit because of that then that would be a stupid move.... And it's on the main page talk because I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it. I thought people may be interested. And I don't think he wants his content removed. That's his choice. --From FunkyDude (talk) 02:13, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
- That is really silly. Compound constructions of 3 or more words are grammatically correct in German, but they are not correct in English. Different languages, different rules. He just doesn't understand English well enough to understand that writing it "Sunshineway" looks really foolish to native speakers, the sort of mistake a small child would make. All we have done here is make the title grammatically correct, I hope he understands that. --Jefe (talk) 03:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
I have changed the side bar a little bit. I want to insert the central pages of this Wiiki into the first box. And I'm not sure about the order of the boxes. So please tell me:
- What are the central pages of this Wiiki?
- Do we need more/less boxes?
- Which box order do you prefer?
- What about the texts? (The headlines are set as lower case letters automatically (in some styles?))
- @Wiimm, is there anyway implement a feature that allows users to view the last time a person was online? And I personally think that you should remove the MKDS Wiki hyperlink. Shadow (talk) 19:39, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- I think the MKDS link should stay.
- -- Have a nice day, from ZillaSpaz 19:47, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
New Page Ideas
I had some ideas for new pages on the wiki:
List of Retro Custom Track Distribution like the List of Retro Characters/Vehicles site and a Menu page were everyone can put there own menu textures. What do you think? --Horsti12 (talk) 18:41, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- I like this idea, but it seems very difficult/impossible to do... Shadow (talk) 19:16, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- -- Have a nice day, from ZillaSpaz 19:27, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I think the Wiiki should make a new Rule which is like this "The CT Creator can edit his own page as muc has he wants and can put his video on it. It doesnt matter qhich quality it is, but when thers a video with a better quality they can put it under the owner's video, and the owner can decide rather he wants the video or not" ---FloMaster35000vr (talk) 20:40, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- I disagree. This wiki is like almost all other wikis: It is an encyclopaedia, but with a special theme (MKWii custom) ⇒ Each article should give the best information. And this includes best videos and realistic videos (dolphin is only a software, which emulates something similar like a Wii).
- A track author will not become the owner of the article, because he writes the first steps of it. The community is the owner!
- However, a track author has generally more right for a article about its product (not only tracks), but there is no reason against replacing videos/pictures/words by better videos/pictures/words to improve the article quality.
- Wiimm (talk) 21:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry , but I tend to agree (Typos aside). Not sure how often/when something like the case with Magnetic City has occurred, but the track owner should have 'ownership', and should be able to chose video he/she likes for their page. Clearly XBlue98 did not want Torran's video on their page, and that decision should be respected, quality aside (To a certain degree). I believe it went too far with this comment by Torran: " Unfortunately, the creator cannot determine which videos can be on his/her page. ". I see it as an utterly useless restriction and in the least appears to have been put in place in favor of Torran's YouTube account. Knowing Torran, I can clearly see that this is not the case, but not everyone will see it that way. Rule #8 in video etiquette doesn't make much sense either. While Dolphin may not display smaller details such as Mipmaps (In addition to omitting visual errors, which a secondary video may cite), sometimes it's simply the best quality a track creator can provide. Look at it from this point too: They don't want to advertise somebody else's YouTube necessarily. And with that, maybe they want their friend's video up instead of yours ('You' meaning anybody). In the end, the track creator should be granted jurisdiction over the content on their page, if they want to advertise their track with a video filmed on a digital camera at 5 FPS, then let them do so. What's stopping Moderators from later on deciding you're no longer allowed to use the word 'unique' on a track page, because a moderator disagrees and says it's vaguely similar to another? If it is truly coming to a point where we cannot decide what goes on our pages, then I'll quit. --SuperMario64DS (talk) 22:02, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Restrictions on Dolphin should be obvious enough. Graphical effects, game freezing, and slowdown effect are not reproduced by Dolphin. Therefore it is not an accurate method of recording videos. The strictness of the rule has been lessened so that it won't apply for single videos, but I believe that the restriction should stay. As for "page ownership", I'm willing to respect the creator of the page, to a certain extent. Removing videos from a page because: a) You wish to hold a monopoly on the page, b) You wish to gain suscribers, views, or ad revenue from the page, are not acceptable reasons. The Wiiki and its contents exist for the community, not for the individual. --Torran (talk) 22:20, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Here's my take on it. I think there is a place for the author's chosen video in most cases. The author of the track sometimes has certain ways they wish to present their level, show off certain things they did, like new objects, nice camera work, etc. Track pages are allowed a maximum of three embedded videos, and as long the author's video shows a unique game mode, version or perspective, it should be listed as one of the three videos. If the author's video doesn't show anything unique, or violates the other guidelines, or is just very poor quality, other videos should have priority. In that case, the author should be allowed to add a different one that fits within the guidelines.
Also, I strongly disagree with the new rule that says videos must not be emulated. While I agree that a video capture from an actual Wii or Wii U is preferable, it is just barely so. Emulated videos are often higher quality than video captures and rendering errors are usually pretty minor.
I think we should consider videos in this order:
- Shows a unique version or mode (online play, vs bots, split screen w/bots, and replay cameras are all good, time trials are not.)
- Does not contain distracting or offensive intros, audio, mods or hacks. "Vanilla" MKWii with game audio is better to show of the features of the level/character/etc. but not essential.
- Shows at least a full lap, round or all relevant features.
- Is at least decent quality (360p).
- Is direct video capture, not emulation or a video of a tv or a monitor.
- I strongly disagree with your take on emulation. The fact that some creators only test their tracks on Dolphin, find nothing wrong and release it, only for it to not work on a real Wii, strongly suggests to me that this privilege is not worth having. Not to mention that it effectively allows the creator of the video to hide any of the more pressing issues of tracks such as freezes and slowdowns, videos are meant to demonstrate the track, as well as demonstrate any flaws that it may have. In that regard, I have no other issues with what you have proposed. --Torran (talk) 12:12, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- You have a valid point about bugs and slowdown, I didn't consider those in my post. Track creators should always test their tracks on a real Wii, whether or not they have the means to record video that way. In those cases it is a good reason for someone else to post a Wii video and append a bug report to the page. Most bugs of that nature are quickly discovered by the community, and someone typically posts a bug video or a notice that the track does not work on a real system. So taking this into account I'd change the guidelines to this:
- No more than 3 embedded videos on any page. Tutorials and Distributions are exceptions.
- Custom Track Videos should show Online Play, VS or Grand Prix mode. Do not use Time Trials mode, as it does not show item boxes or buggy item or CPU routes.
- Videos should shows at least one full lap, round or all relevant features.
- Videos should be of at least decent quality (360p). Direct video capture from a Wii is preferred, especially for the primary video.
- Primary video should not hide major flaws, including issues on real Wii systems.
- Secondary videos should show a different play mode or an older major revision of the level.
- Videos should not contain distracting or offensive intros, text or audio, or excessive modifications or hacks. "Vanilla" MKWii with game audio is better to show demonstrate the features of the level/character/etc. but not essential.
- Ports and remakes can include a video of the original version of the level. Videos of subsequent ports to other games can be included as well.
- The video title must not praise the author of the video. (Video by VideoGloryGuy) Instead the title must describe briefly what will be shown in the video. (V1 or V1: Replay Cameras etc.)
- For special videos, use one of the following keywords:
- bug for bugs and glitches.
- tutorial for tutorials.
- original for videos of the original versions of ported and remade tracks.
- Embedded videos should link to the track's Wiiki page instead of a direct download to the file. This is to ensure that people downloading the track will get the most current version of the track instead of an old version.
- The rule against the emulated videos was made due to the amount of people hiding the "Harry Potter effect" with Dolphin. Dolphin also can hide/create mistakes in the Shader part of the MDL0 and in the worst case scenario the track can freeze on the Wii but not on Dolphin (Baoulettes even managed to make a Track freeze in Dolphin but not on the Wii). A temporary Dolphin Video is allowed but this rule was also made to "force" people to test their Tracks on a regular Wii before they release it.
- Of course I agree that Torran "overreacted" about the 25 fps Video. 25/29,97/30 fps, 4:3/16:9 and 360p/480p/HD is totally fine.
- Tock (talk) 16:07, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, i'm surprised, that my suggestion for the rule caused such a conversation :o But i want to give my part too so... Maybe if the Creator made a bad Quality Video of his CT/Texture Hack and put it on the Wiiki Page you should may ask him on the Talk page if you can add his Video which maybe shows another Game Mode or replace the existing Video, because your Video has the better Quality. FloMaster35000vr (talk) 17:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I understand all positions. The most important argument is: This a public Wiki and no one gains the ownership of an article.
- This main rule and the ideology to create very good pages implies, that ...
- ... no one must ask the creator for permission.
- ... dolphin videos are allowed but can replaced by other ones.
- ... dolphin videos, that disguise negative aspects of the track, must rapidly replaced by better videos.
- And so, Jefes list is more an explanation what free wiki and good pages mean.
- Hanno (talk) 11:52, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- @Hanno: To clarify: We should respect the author's choice of video as long as it doesn't go against the other guidelines. Otherwise, that is a good summation.
Nebula Lava Factory being blanked
New template(s) for conditional table lines
It's only an example to show a new and easy method to hide table lines without content. If needed, other templates like tab-line-H2 or without header column tab-line-2 can be created. Now let us discuss and/or modify the other info templates.
On mwkwii.com I have read, that there were bad votes made by trolls. After a check I can confirm, that there were many worst votes from users, that are not logged in. Because of that, I have removed all votes of such anonym users. For the future I plan to edit the voting script to allow only votes made by logged-in users. At the moment it's easier to clean the db frequently.
- Some more infos for clearness:
- I have analysed the votes for some pages. And I have seen, that different tracks have either many "1" votes or many "10" votes made by not logged-in users. Both are bad. So I decided to remove anonymous votes.
- KHacker35000vr wrote as comment: "You can say a lot about me removing that voting box, but now the anonymous users are gone the trollers have an even bigger percentage."
- Because of this I use this as example: I have analysed the votes for Molten Mountainway.
- 37 persons voted, 26 were anonymous votes.
- Only counting the "10" votes: 17 total, 14 anonymous.
- Logged-in users voted: 5*1, 3*7, 3*10 (5.1 average)
- Anonymous users voted: 3*1, 1*2, 2*5, 5*8, 1*9, 14*10 (7.8 average)
- Both groups: 8*1, 1*2, 2*5, 3*7, 5*8, 1*9, 17*10 (7.2 average)
- Obviously the rating was pushed by anonymous votes.
- After a fast review of the vote database I have seen, that anonymous users manipulate the ratings in both directions. And so I have made a second statistic, an analysis of all votes:
- Logged-in users voted 4271 total — 30% "1" and 36% "10" (66% extreme values)
- Anonymous users voted 21930 total — 17% "1" and 45% "10" (61% extreme values)
- The high percent for the extreme votes shows 2 things:
- Overall the voting system is only used in an abused way. Normally, extreme values are rarely.
- Anonymous voting is generally used to push the rating upwards.
- And this analysis confirm my feeling, that the voting system is only a battle field and will not give a fair rating for interested people.
- However, personally I dislike this kinds of voting. And so I never vote and never watch the ratings — it's total irrelevant for me. So the goal was not to increase or decrease any rating. My goal is that the ratings reflect the reality in a better way.