Talk:3DS Maka Wuhu (FunkyDude15 & Wexos)

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Don't use more than 1 lap counter check point. otherwise it leads to a Position Jump Bug if playing online ⇒ Check_Point#Lap_counter -- Wiimm (talk) 13:04, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I've got told that it leads to position jump bug. There will be an update that fixes this and some more things.
Wexos (talk) 16:19, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Snikis Update

Ok obviously we have to deal with this situation again....unfortunately. In my oppinion Snikis Update is great: It fixes a lot of bugs and make the ending section a lot more appealing for playing with MKW physics. Of course he should have asked Wexos and FunkyDude first just to be polite; but on the other hand everyone can make alterations to any content on the wiki and publish it (or at least this is how it should be). This goes for simple texture hacks, for Huilis removal of objects for his own reasons and also for big alterations to a track like Sniki did to Maka Wuhu here. So i suggest the following: Either mark the Update as inofficial and have both Download links in the version history; or make a second info Box like on a lot of pages that had major tracks remakes or create an entirely new wikipage for snikis update where he will give credit to Wexos and FunkyDude.

And a last question: Why would you rather have a port that is rejected from ctgp and other distributions (and played by noone) then an inofficial update that fixes all the issues that caused the rejection of adding it to ctgp (so a lot people can enjoy the track)??? Sucht93a (talk) 07:48, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

"If you are editing another author's work, first contact the author of the original content. If he officially allows you to edit his work, do so and release it as update. If the author claims he will do an update himself, give him a reasonable amount of time to do so. If the author disagrees with your edit, you can still edit the content and post it as an update, but you must leave a download link to the last official version of the original creator on the page, too." From our Published Works Policy.
FunkyDude approves this update.
I'm still very curious as to why Wexos rejected this update. He has not updated the track in the past 2 years, nor given any indication that he will make the ending section playable in Mario Kart Wii.
My questions for Wexos: what would you do if CTGP or Wiimms Fun added Sniki's version? What is wrong with allowing Sniki's version to exist as a branch, like Torran's downgrades to Mansion of Madness? --Cotni (talk|contribs) 13:31, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I also like Snikis update more. So please accept it Wexos. --Horsti12 (talk) 19:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm not going to say much yet, except this: since Wexos is a co-author and doesn't like the update, we can't really do anything until I have a discussion with him and we come to a consensus. --FunkyDude15 (talk) 22:20, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
"we can't really do anything until ..." - yes, we can. You can post it as an unofficial update even without the authors consent, as stated in the rules. Didn't we already have this discussion multiple times with different tracks? Everything being posted to this Wiki can be changed by anyone.
This wiiki more and more becomes a gigantic kindergarden with everyone claiming "But I DID THAT, that is MINE and nobody DARE touch it". This is a wiki, the information, tracks and data are public and can be changed by anyone. All the additional rules are about is how exactly the result is being presented - on the same page or on a new one and as official or unofficial update.
Do you think the Mario Kart custom track scene would be where it is now if nobody were allowed to do anything? If Chadderz made his SZS Modifier private-use only, if Wiimm only used WIT and WSZST for own tracks (or tracks of authors he personally knows), and all the other tools and features everyone uses? No. We would still be creating shitty tracks with Paint. Taking something that is already present and improving it is the whole point of a wiki and a community. It is not like anyone tried to steal any credit for tracks.
Leseratte (talk) 09:02, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
How long are we going to wait for Wexos to comment? Would it be a problem in any way if Sniki's update was called "Beta 2-alt1"? I'd add the update with that name, but I don't think reverting an admin's edit as a normal user is a good idea. --Cotni (talk|contribs) 22:49, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
The main problems Wexos and I had with the update is that firstly, no effort to contact either of us about it was made beforehand, and secondly, zero credit was given in both Sniki's youtube video and the CTGP Testing Discord. It should be common courtesy to contact the author especially if they are actively making CTs. Moreover, people thinking Sniki made the entire track demonstrates the failure to provide proper credit. For me, it's not really the update itself that I despise, but the two points outlined above. While what Sniki did wasn't against the Published Works Policy, it seems nonsensical considering the points outlined. --FunkyDude15 (talk) 14:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
This is a netiquette problem, but not a reason for removing the update. And most youtube commentators know that it is an update. -- Wiimm (talk) 15:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Snikis Youtube video? Is there a link to that? On his YouTube Channel, I can't find any recent video about a 3DS Maka Wuhu update. -- Leseratte (talk) 16:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, looks like it is unlisted. The video (title) states it is an update to a previous track, and the description links to this Wiki article giving credit. Plus, it is unlisted (or did he un-list it after this discussion started?) and thus can only be found by visiting this page (which gives credit) or by getting the link from somewhere else anyways. While I agree it would have been better to directly add that to the video description, it is not that he claimed that he made that track himself. And reading the comments in the video, all of the people who commented understood this was an update to a previous track and not completely made by Sniki, so that seems like it was clear enough.
-- Leseratte (talk) 17:01, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
To be clear, I never really had that much of a problem with the update in the first place. Just the points I already discussed. So basically we need a response from Wexos on this for why he removed the update, then we can close this discussion hopefully. Meanwhile, the update will be named Beta 2, and it is requested that more credit is given in the video description and title. --FunkyDude15 (talk) 02:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Quote: "In my opinion, the situations presented by the update of this track and also DS Shroom Ridge merit a change in the Published Works Policy. It should be mandatory to contact the author before performing an update, especially if the author is active in the community. " - Exactly, it merits a change in the Policy - by completely removing that rule. How you all are interpreting the rule - that "asking for permission for an update" is needed to actually update something - is a complete opposite of the first (main) rule in the Policy - that content is freely reusable without restrictions. The procedure in the rule you are referring to was just meant to define how an update is released - extra page, official, inofficial, or some other way. Not as a way for a content creator to deny somebody else the rights to modify something he already has been allowed to. There is no need for "permission" if permission is already given to everyone by the fact that the original track has been published here. We had hundreds of track updates by Wiimm and others in the past, giving credit the same way Sniki did (by adding appropriate comments on the Wiki page, where the track is released), and now that Sniki does it it is suddenly "bad" and "a problem" and "he should have asked"? -- Leseratte (talk) 07:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I've had some time to think about this. And now that Wexos still hasn't replied on here I've put Sniki's update as an official update on the page. I still don't agree with everything you're staying, but I can understand your points. --FunkyDude15 (talk) 17:28, 21 May 2018 (UTC)