Talk:Wii U Excitebike Arena (NinYoda1)

Thanks for divide the Custom Track Distributions

Thanks for divide the Custom Track Distributions. Okay, when everybody would make it like you than we have the following problem:

e.g.

• Wiimm would reserve 10 Tracks for Wiimms Mario Kart Fun
• MrBean35000vr would reserve 80 Tracks for CTGP Revolution
• Wine would reserve 50 Tracks for Wine's CT Pack
• Huili would reserve 60 Tracks for MKW Hack Pack

And now my question. WHERE are the tracks for a other new Custom Track Distributions ?? --Horsti12 (talk) 15:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Took me a moment to figure out what Horsti12 was talking about, but I see the rather odd restriction of "Note: This track is only allowed to be used in MKW Hack Pack." Now since NinYoda1 did not edit this page himself, and I don't see it on the video page, I have to ask, where did this arbitrary restriction come from? I see that it was present in the initial edit by Maczkopeti, but where did he get it from?

So to reiterate Horsti's argument, if one distro gets exclusive use of a certain track, where does it stop? What then is the point of releasing a track to the public? For me, releasing a level is done for the community. For everyone to enjoy, or perhaps even revile. Restricting a level to a certain distro goes against the community spirit that this wiki strives to encourage, and fragments the user base. Want to play Track X then Track Y? Sorry, but they're in different distros, bro.

That's also why our Published Works Policy states that "Your are only allowed to post freely usable content on this wiki." The meaning has always been that any finished track released here can be used in any distro. It would seem, however, that the etiquette section contradicts this stance by stating that "Custom content added to the Wiiki can be included in any Distribution unless specifically prohibited by the content's author." However, the usage thus far of the etiquette clause has been to prohibit alphas, proofs-of-concept and other unfinished levels from being added to ANY distro, with the understanding that finished levels are to freely usable. This statement has never been used to restrict usage to a certain distro, at least to my knowledge. If it has, it shouldn't have happened and violates our policy.

Bottom line is this: If a track is posted here, and if it is allowed in one distro, then it's allowed to be added to any distro. No playing favorites. If you don't want the whole community to play your track, then don't release it.--Jefe (talk) 17:02, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I only added that note because of this and this, but I agree with you.

--maczkopeti (talk) 17:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I've notified both parties to read the discussion here.--Jefe (talk) 17:22, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

In the first place, Excitebike was never published on this wiki, that's why I estimate to have the right to choose to which pack it can go.

Secondly, you say: "Restricting a level to a certain distro goes against the community spirit that this wiki strives to encourage, and fragments the user base." then why has you we not access to tracks in the file CTGP and why the track " star slope " are reserved that has the update CTGP? Thank you.(talk) 20:15, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that you restrict the track to one distro while it has a public download. Star Slope v1.0, on the other hand, doesn't have one.

--maczkopeti (talk) 18:26, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, you're here now, NinYoda1, and you're certainly aware of your track's addition to the wiki, and most importantly you've made a public release of the track while also attempting to restrict it to one distribution which to my knowledge, no other track author has done and is a paradoxical position at best. As a level creator, I try to get as many people to download my levels as possible. If I were to place arbitrary restrictions on who could use it (No distros with the letter G in the name!) it would not only be silly but it would be counter-productive to the goal of getting people to play my level.

I can't speak for the creators of CTGP or Star Slope, but latest public release of Star Slope appears to be on the wiki, but it seems the track was removed from CTGP at some point in the past, so I don't understand your issue about that track, nor does it seem to be relevant to this discussion.--Jefe (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I think he's talking about how v1.0 of Star Slope will be only available in the next version of CTGP. (Look in the description.)

--maczkopeti (talk) 20:52, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I have officially decided to break my agreement with NinYoda1. I only wanted to do it because my distribution is new and with CTGP getting a major update I was honestly concerned that the small amount of people I have playing my distribution would just go over to that distribution and I would have no one playing mine (unrealistic assumption I realize, but I wanted this to be something special). Call me unfair, call me greedy, call me what you want to, but if you had a new distribution, would you not want to do everything in your power to make people come to it? So I took a risk, and this is the result. I'm not a proud guy at all, I will back down if necessary. Huili (talk) 21:04, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Also, I think it will help to put this here: Skype Huili (talk) 21:32, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I see what Torran is trying to do Star Slope now, and while I don't agree with it, it doesn't violate our policy because he hasn't made a public release of the track. I do understand the desire to make your distro unique, Huili, but there are other ways to do that. For one thing CTGP doesn't get major track updates very often, so you're in a position to add newly released or fixed tracks more quickly. But I do not believe exclusivity arrangements are beneficial for the MK community as a whole. --Jefe (talk) 22:33, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I understand Jefe, that's why I'm not going to bother making exclusive arrangements anymore, NinYoda1 is on his own if he wants to keep his tracks only in my distribution, as much as I don't prefer the idea anymore it is his choice. I will tolerate whatever he does. As far as I'm concerned I'm done talking here, I made up my mind and I'm not going back on my decision.Huili (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Now you're saying that you won't fix a bug in Temple Bay if Excitebike Arena gets added to the CTGP track wishlist? That's the stupidest thing i've heard all day.

If you really don't want the track in other distributions, make the download private and I'll delete the page.
--maczkopeti (talk) 07:26, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok Maczkopeti, delete all track Amergamer has put too, if I would to see my tracks here, I can post myself, thanx.

--NinYoda1 (talk) 11:55, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

What is the point of deleting those tracks from the wiki? They all had public download links and I simply made an easier way to get to most of your works (without registration). --CT creator Emer, (talk here) 11:56, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

NinYoda1, our mission at the Wiiki is to catalog user-made content and make it freely available to the public, so I would prefer that your tracks remain listed. As a general rule, anyone can add tracks that have been made available to the public. And Emer said, having them listed here is a good thing because it helps promote your tracks and increase the likelihood that people will enjoy them. The entire issue to this point is attempting to restrict usage to otherwise freely available tracks - which runs counter to our mission. Huili has already said he is no longer interested in pursuing exclusivity. So please explain your reluctance to include your tracks in other distributions or have them listed here. I can think of no logical reasons, only emotional ones. --Jefe (talk) 20:07, 14 May 2015 (UTC)