Talk:MKW Hack Pack

If there are any contributions that you want to make to the MKW Hack Pack or if you have any other feedback on this distribution please talk about it here. --Unsigned comment by Huili (talk).

Distrubtion

Some tracks are very good like on Wiimms Distrubtion. But many tracks are buggy and someone freeze the Wii. --Snake (talk) 13:55, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your input Snake, I appreciate it. Right now this Custom Track Distribution is in it's beta state, so I am doing a thorough investigation of every track just to see which ones stay and which ones go, while still sticking close to two priorities that I will try my best to stand by: Have no tracks from the current version of CTGP Revolution with the exception of texture edits of tracks from that distribution, and have 2 texture tracks per person. As for tracks that freeze/glitch/lag, or are buggy, I'm giving custom track creators time to improve on them so that they can have a chance to have their track featured in this distribution. I'm also waiting this out so that I can incorporate new custom tracks into this distribution, so the list you see right now isn't the final product. -- Huili (talk) 02:14, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

At first, thanks for your answer and the info. I understand your project. Well. I think the Authors from all the tracks in your distrubtion they not fix the buggy tracks, because many of them left the wiki some time ago. I have write long time ago a wishlist on my page. Maybe you have see it. But i notice, nothing of my wish are be in progress and finished. I have to give up the hope . But maybe in future there comes a suprise. I will see.

Good luck. --Snake (talk) 11:59, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Question

I see Color Wonderland on the tracks list (61.1). I never released it, because it is not finished, so I was wondering why it is on the list. Is that a mistake or did you just 'reserve' that slot for when the track is done?--Buschkling (talk) 21:13, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I realize that once I end this conversation, you might be very angry with me. But I found your track Here. I feel that after testing it, it was very worthy of adding to the distribution. Personally, I love the track, and if anyone digresses, they can find another distribution. Also, you may not like me for doing this, but as I type this, I'm already uploading the full beta version right now, and your track is on it. But if you're not convinced yet that what I'm doing right now is a good idea, let me give you some food for thought:

Eclipse Cove, granted, it isn't the track in question here, but the same concept is relevant, namely, that track, according to you, was/is not finished. But it was in your CT pack was it not? OK, I'll let it go at that for that track, but I have another reason for you to consider. Since I'm already uploading it, why not let some decide for themselves whether it's complete or not? I certainly felt it was. Also, I'm not going to cancel the upload unfortunately right now because of the size, and I'm leaving as well. so by the time I get back it will be fully uploaded. I really don't want to bother uploading it again. So if you REALLY want me to take the track out afterwards, please understand this: I probably won't reupload another one. Huili (talk) 10:45, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

The version of Color Wonderland you got there is an old, unfinished preview version. It does not work completely on VS race and there are still many bugs (as invisible walls, wrong respawns, item routes not complete) and texture errors. I don't even know why it is on that track archive. Also it sucks when people see the track in your pack, thinking it's done, then play it and get this glitchy old version of it. I didn't want people to play this track before it isn't finished. It would have been nice if you asked for permission first! You could clearly see that track was not finished, because of the bugs and as it said it's still in progress and bugs to be fixed on the wiki page. Eclipse Cove was something different - it was at least completely functional with some smaller bugs. So, please remove it. If you can't do it right now, please do when you update this pack or something.--Buschkling (talk) 07:36, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Out of consideration, I have removed it from my regular download, nobody will be able to play it on that version. As regards the full beta version, at this point, I have decided to reupload the distribution without it. Although that may sound unreasonable to some, I'm going to do that. Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused.Huili (talk) 14:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Just a reminder: Custom content added to the Wiiki can be included in any Distribution unless specifically prohibited by the content's author. Failure to abide by this rule means the removal of said Distribution from the Wiiki. That is all. --Torran (talk) 14:20, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Then it ain't worth having my distribution removed because of just one track. I will take action now.Huili (talk) 14:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Stolen Website

It appears that the content of the "English" section of the pack's 'wiki' [1] is entirely copied from my site [2]. This is neither permitted in writing on my site, nor acknowledged on your site. Worse, you have removed our copyright notice and replaced it with your own. The text isn't even relevant for your pack. Care to explain?

Chadderz (talk) 19:18, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

I am the author of the Web site. I got the file to the person of the author of this site. I have created a web site of MKW Hack Pack by editing it

--AC (talk) 20:17, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Please take down all these websites immediately. At the moment these look like the CTGP homepage, so search engines and people may be confused. Keep developing websites on PRIVATE servers.

I don't mind my work being used as a template if this is CLEARLY ACKNOWLEDGED. It's polite to ask first too.

Chadderz (talk) 21:06, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Both parties have agreed in private chats to change the websites as soon as possible. They will change the content to remove references to CTGP-R to save confusion, and will acknowledge any borrowed content or code.

"[21:40:59] AC: Because I am busy now Can I change later? [21:41:13] Chadderz: OK, but do it soon [21:41:36] AC: ok"

"[21:13:26 | Edited 21:13:46] Horsti: sorry, it was actually planned that I finished the website weeks ago, but I didn't had time for that. but now I have autumm breaks so I can do it for sure"

When that is done, I will consider this matter resolved.

Chadderz (talk) 21:46, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

I just saw this now, and I deeply apologize Chadderz that this event took place, as I find myself at great fault. And yet at the same time it's akward, because I didn't exactly plan on doing a separate wiki for my distribution initially, and henceforth, I personally will only be using this wiki to promote the MKW Hack Pack, but AC asked me if I wanted to have a separate wiki for the MKW Hack Pack, so after a few attempts of talking to me I decided to essentially "give in" to AC's wants and I allowed him to make various wikis, including this wiki in question. However, I want you to know this, that the only wiki that I actually physically contributed to was This one, it is no longer online because AC deleted it. All the other ones I never physically had a hand in, including the one where he copied your information without consent. I take full responsibility for his actions, regardless of the circumstances involved.

Granted, it's rather ironic that I'm caught up in all this simply because it's my distribution and I gave AC full reign to administer the wiki as he pleases. So now I have to answer to you Chadderz because of something AC has done. Now I'm concerned, worried even, that this might jeopardize my distribution being here on this wiki. So now I find myself in a position, of all position, begging you, honestly, to cut me some slack in this regard. I put too much work into this to have things go awry so quickly and suddenly, almost makes me way to cry really. Again, don't get me wrong, I do take responsibility for him yes, but it's a little bit unfair to me you know I'm trying to say here I hope? Huili (talk) 03:47, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

It's alright, everyone makes mistakes. While I am annoyed that my website was taken without asking and the copyright was removed, the most worrying thing for me is that it currently says CTGP everywhere. Someone could very easily find that site and believe it to be our official website. There isn't even some big red text saying under construction. When I'm building a website, I always include a banner somewhere saying this is not the final, official website and that its contents should be ignored. Both sites are already in the Google index, which means Google is free to show it in search results. Neither you nor I have control over who places first in search results related to CTGP, so we just have to hope it's the right one.

I am happy for my website to be used as a template for ideas, but it would be polite to ask first, or at the very least to acknowledge this somewhere. A small portion of my web design was done by a friend who is a professional web developer. He may not be happy for you to take his work without paying. This mainly relates to the CSS code which has been copied then modified, or at least copied in part.

Chadderz (talk) 05:35, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I was an afterthought the contents of the copyright to the web site.

Did I am sorry to have gone over the nuisance

--AC (talk) 11:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

ISO Patcher

Hello Huili,

on the wiki page of your "MKW Hack Pack" you wrote that your pack will support the CTGPR-Countdown Mode and will support ISO patchers. Are both statements correct? If yes, can you tell me how to use the Countdown Mode and the Lap count modifier in an own ISO patcher? As far as I know, both the Countdown Mode and the Lap count modifier only work with Riivolution as they both need a code handler and some cheat codes ...

Leseratte (talk) 13:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if v1 will include the ISO Patcher... It might be included in v2 though. I've talked to Huili about it.

Larsenv (talk) 15:02, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

V1 will not include an ISO Patcher. Unfortunately, at this point in development, Countdown for my distribution is not working like it should. I discovered that when you start a race or time trial offline, the number of laps any tracks has automatically are the points you get at the start of the race. For example, if a track has, say, 8 laps, that will be your score. However, the score will not increase at all. It will stay the same. The reason I think this is happening is obvious, the score got itself mixed up somehow with the max lap count modifier, but how to solve this, I have no idea. So before I can ever make an iso patcher release I have to figure this out. Huili (talk) 21:37, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Problem solved. But at this moment in time, I have no idea how to implement those features into an iso patcher, I'll have to look around for someone that knows that kind of stuff. Huili (talk) 21:37, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Yoshi and Birdo egg cup

Your pack features a green egg cup and a pink egg cup. Though, they are about the same as the yoshi egg and Birdo egg cup in CTGP-R. Might be something you should change. --Koenie (talk) 15:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Top City

Is the new version (v2.0) of Top City in here? I just want to know.
WexosMk (talk) 07:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes it is, and I kept it at 5 laps. Periodically I will do updates of the pack, but not as frequent as ctgp. Huili (talk) 13:19, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, It saw it still stood v1.0 on the page and it also stood 4 laps so thats why I asked. WexosMk (talk) 15:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

About Pack

Hello. How did you get 3DS Music Park? There is no official release. And i hear on PAL the track freezed.--Snake (talk) 17:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

I think he contacted Atlas directly. --Wg93589 (talk) 19:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Removal of Leaf Piles, Goombas, ect?????

"Huili also is attempting to make this distribution more competitively viable by removing any luck-based elements, so that means Goombas, woodboxes, and leaf piles are removed due to their giving the player free items." This is one thing that i just completely don't understand. Its freakin mario kart, of course there is going to be a bit of luck involved. You might as well remove item boxes and the unpredictable MoM since they're luck based too. --CaptainToad67867 (talk) 11:40 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Umm, it's a very silly move to remove leaf piles, goombas and woodboxes because of luck? (Besides, you can set the objects to NOT give out items in the KMP...) I disagree with this ridiculous change. I wasn't asked for permission to remove objects from my tracks, and I don't want my "half" tracks with lacking objects in a CT distribution. Keep my tracks as they are, or remove them, please.--Buschkling (talk) 17:10, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Then whats the setting in the KMP to stop objects from giving out items? --Wg93589 (talk) 22:36, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Both "woodbox" and "karehayama" (the leaf pile) have a setting for the item probability. Can't you set it to 0? And when you guys are complaining about simple changes like removing objects why don't you first complain about the massive changes in CTGP, like, removing all the madness from Mansion of Madness or removing a shortcut from Haunted Woods? -- Leseratte (talk) 03:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Since when does "madness" have to mean epileptic animations, spam of undetectably fast objects and random fall boundaries? I won't go any further into this, since it has been discussed endlessly.

As for the Haunted Woods cut, the only thing I've seen about it are complaints. If a shortcut needs to have the Bullet Bill nerfed to stay "balanced" then I think it's better to just not have it at all. Even WorldsBoss, the track's designer wanted the cut gone by now.

--maczkopeti (talk) 13:12, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, I believe this update is ridiculous and nonsensical. Removing goombas, and woodboxes is just plain dumb. Those two items are not "luck" objects. Yes, it is possible for shrooms to come out of both of these objects, but it rarely happens that it gives someone a major advantage. In fact, if you are aiming to make your pack more geared towards competitive players, I would keep goombas and boxes. It is quite common for competitive players to use a shell to hit a goomba, so that a shroom comes out. This is commonly referred to as "shroomba" and is very common with the first grass cut on Koopa Cape. It is also popular on tracks such as Sunset Ridge and Seaside Resort. In regards to leaf piles, although it is possible that power items will come out of leaf piles, this is easily edited in the KMP. You can set it so that no items come out, if you really think that one shroom will change a race that much.

I do not control your pack, you make whatever decisions you want. But, I think I can speak on the subject of author request. Spykid has asked you to not edit his tracks without his permission, but yet, you continue to edit them. Spykid did not want these goomba, leaf pile, and woodbox changes to be made to his track, so Spykid politely asked for the tracks to be removed. And I quote [20:20:08] Spy Kid: i didn't say that i mean just ask for my permission and see if i agree if you change something to my tracks [20:20:14] Huili Gou 🏁: denied You DENIED his request to edit HIS TRACK. Do you not see the flaws in this? It is HIS track. You are editing it without his permission. And this is after you harassed Torran and repeatedly expressed your dislike at him editing Mansion of Madness with Sucht's explicit approval. Now, you are doing something much worse in refusing to remove a track that the creator does not want in your pack. And let me remind you, this is not the first time this has happened. You used a test version of Sea Stadium and put it in the Hack Pack without any sort of permission from the creator. And while I'm at it, I'll mention Heart of China. An old version of Heart of China by Wingcapman was given to you, to use only in Hack Pack. But, because of your incompetence in creating a Custom Track pack, you put the track right in the folders. Unsurprisingly, this private version of Heart of China was released to the public.

Back to the original topic. Leaf piles, wood boxes, and goombas. These three objects are never complained about by anyone in the competitive community. They are objects from the original Mario Kart Wii game, and no one complains about them being included. You, have taken a complete non-issue and "fixed" something that never needed to be fixed. In April, there were five Custom Track distributions that had more logins than the Hack Pack. Clearly, your pack is not as popular as you want it to be. Before taking risks by "fixing" non-issues, fix the real problems. Listen to what people who play your pack want. I highly doubt they want these objects to be removed. Fix the big problems first, not tiny problems that have never even been noticed by anyone besides you

--MZ (talk) 21:02, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

If the highlights of your courses include Goombas, Wooden Boxes, and leaf piles, then your issues with these tracks extend beyond these changes. Nowhere is it stated that a distribution author cannot modify tracks, and even if it was, you cannot stop someone from doing so. Tough luck. To be honest, SpyKid & co have no valid reason to ask anyone to not edit their tracks and remove a few meaningless objects. That's not going to break the course. I find that people will choose to say "no" when not needed - just for the sake of saying no. Say YES whenever you can. It HARMS NO ONE.

Let's spin this: Did you ask Nintendo if you could texture hack their courses, or use their material? In this case, just to thwart this nasty attitude, I encourage further changes to made at the pack author's discretion. If anything, you do yourself a disservice by pressing a meaningless issue over useless objects and trying to remove your tracks. By releasing an "original" work (Which also happens to be comprised of the work of many others), you're leaving it open to have assets ripped, modified, and removed without your prior knowledge. If you do not want people messing around with it, don't release it. In this case, someone's choosing to get upset over such a minour issues involving the removal of unimportant, useless objects.

In all, this is hardly a "you didn't ask permission" issue. Rather, these are a few individuals choosing to get upset over the removal of objects, and inserting this "permission" rule as a way to invalidate these changes. I vote they stay. In the future, both parties should first contact one another before going public, reach a reasonable decision, and everyone walks away satisfied. Though the pack author should have asked permission, they did not have to, especially for something so small. To reiterate: Goombas. Boxes. Leaves. In the future, it will better serve you to focus your energy on more pressing issues. --SuperMario64DS (talk) 16:11, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I say 100% YES to your comment! Thanks for that...Hopefully this discussion ends here and people who like Huilis idea can continue playing SpyKid-tracks in Hack Pack and people who don't like his idea can just ignore Hack Pack again. --Sucht93a (talk) 16:39, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

It's ok. I just want that my tracks get reverted to their original state when the distribution gets the next update, please (Huili mentioned he updates it soon because of a black screen on a track). That's not hard work and not too much to ask for, right?--Buschkling (talk) 18:11, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

It does not matter whether or not what Spykid wants to be done is unreasonable here. We are not discussing whether or not it is "A lot to ask for" They are his tracks, he gets to choose if they get edited or not. End. Of Story.

--MZ (talk) 21:22, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Think it's about time I spoke and this time, I honestly believe that people want my distribution REMOVED from this Custom Mario Kart Wiiki. Now I have no proof of this, but I don't want anyone to step forward and say that isn't true either.

As for the reason that I removed those objects, my reasoning on it is that it is the EXACT SAME CONCEPT as getting an auto shroom, star, or any other item from a special item box AND NOT A REGULAR ITEM BOX.

I am also well aware that I didn't ask for consent SuperMario64DS. However, I've always believed that it is better to ask for FORGIVENESS RATHER THAN CONSENT. Why? Because, as you can see here, I get to see peoples true attitude on the matter. After seeing this, I can tell you right now that I won't be asking anyone for consent. Because I know I'm going to be in trouble for saying that, I have a proposal, and I ONLY want the approval of Wiimm, Leseratte, and Tock on this:

I want this distribution to ALWAYS STAY on this Custom Mario Kart Wiiki, and I hereby swear that if you approve of that, I will NEVER RELEASE ANY INDIVIDUAL TRACKS onto this Custom Mario Kart Wiiki. I believe this request is reasonable for a few reasons:

1. Unreleased tracks on CTGP. I think this is self-explanatory, so I'm not going to explain. 2. To my knowledge, I have released very few to no tracks in the past onto the Custom Mario Kart Wiiki that were from my distribution and even if this agreement doesn't happen, I will continue to not release tracks anyways. so that it won't disrupt what's going on here in the community, my edits to other ct authors tracks will continue to be my edits, and anyone who wants the tracks will have to download them from my distribution no matter what happens. 3. Hypocrisy. Unusual reason here, but let me explain Wiimm. You're a very respected person, if not the most respected person in this community, so when you edit a track, I've never heard anyone say anything negative about the track changes made by you, yet when I make a simple edit to a track, this happens. Partial distinctions are COMPLETELY UNFAIR. 4. There is always the chance that there is going to continue to be petty arguments like this that will threaten the existence of my distribution on the Custom Mario Kart Wiiki.

Carefully weigh this decision in the balance, and get back to me whenever you reach an agreement. Either way, I have confidence that you will reach a reasonable conclusion, whether I like it or not, I will accept it. Have a good day guys! Huili (talk) 19:02, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

1. You can't compare an open distribution to a closed one, just saying. It's the author's choice if he doesn't want his track parts to be salvaged. 3. There isn't any partial distinction here. You just can't compare your edits to Wiimm's. Wiimm actually makes beneficial KCL and KMP tweaks, while all you did was remove the "luck-based" objects for the sake of "competitivity", which is simply not for this game.

--maczkopeti (talk) 19:47, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I planned to say nothing about it, but now I'm addressed by Hulli.

Yes, you're right: I have edited many tracks without any protest. There are different reasons for it:

1. I ask the authors or they ask me. You can find many request of me scattered in this wiki. And some permissions are handled by other communication ways.
2. Only for minimal changes like changing lap counter, speed mods or repairing bugs I do it without explicit permission.
3. Most important: I try to don't change the charm/character of a track -- it's nearly always more a fix. And I remove objects only for technical reasons (slo mo).

On the other hand, I see all custom objects (tracks, vehicles, fonts, ...) more as public domain. No one asked Nintendo for their permission for using modifying their object. And I believe, without the open and public handling of *all* including knowledge, the community would be much smaller.

However, asking for permission is a part of etiquette and friendliness. And that is also very important for the community!!

Another point: I don't follow your idea to remove luck-based elements. MKW is for many years a very popular game. And I believe, that the main reason are the luck-based elements. Because of it, excellent player can lose a race and are annoyed. On the other hand, not so good player may win some races and very lucky. And this emotions are the base of the success of MKW. And luck-based elements are also important for the tactic.

And see MK8: Luck-based elements are reduced, you can hold only ne item, and if you drop it you don't know, if you get a new one or only a coin. I think that is one reason that many people like MKW more than MK8.

-- Wiimm (talk) 20:07, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

-- I would just like to point out that Huili not releasing tracks on the Wiki basically does nothing. His pack does not protect the SZS files in any way. People can just download the pack and take an SZS file right out if they want to. For example, Wingcapman gave Huili permission to use a version of Heart of China that was not yet released. Unsurprisingly, the track was taken right from the pack and leaked without Wingcapman's approval. I don't think this part of the argument should be taken into consideration at all. It just makes people spend an extra 2 minutes to get a track.

--MZ (talk) 20:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

There still hasn't been any good explaination why the CTGP team should be allowed to edit other people's tracks (Haunted Woods, Mansion of Madness) because they don't like parts of the track like a shortcut or a fall boundary, and Huili should not be allowed to do the same to tracks in his distribution by removing some objects. If I recall correctly, Sucht93 did also NOT approve the CTGP edits of his track - so why are the CTGP-edits on tracks accepted and the MKW-Hack-Pack-edits aren't? And, @Maczkopeti, where has that been discussed "endlessly"? I haven't seen any discussion about this topic on the wiki.

It should either be "everyone can change everyone's track as he wants, without the author's permission" or "Only bugfixes like new item routes, enemy routes, or fixing things that are obviously a mistake and not meant to be as they are are allowed and nothing else", but not "Some people may edit tracks as they want and others must not".

Leseratte (talk) 04:12, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Haunted Woods' fixes were approved, and even encouraged by the creator. I agree with you 100% on what Torran did to Mansion of Madness. That was NOT right, and I have voiced my opinion on this topic to him. Sadly, I was not so involved in the community when this was going on, and I didn't think to stop it. I believe that no track should ever be edited without author approval unless the author is not reachable or has left the community. What Huili is doing, and what Torran did are both very bad in my mind. But, I do believe that what these people have done should not be attributed to CTGP. Mr Bean and Chadderz never edited any tracks without approval. This is not their work, and CTGP should not be brought up in the discussion. --MZ (talk) 05:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Leseratte and Wiimm. I don't see the point in any of this. If unauthorized edits to tracks are more than welcome for CTGP but not for any other distribution, then something is wrong with this community. But at the same time, MKW is built on luck-based elements like leaf piles and such. Removing them is like removing the RNG from RPG's; it just doesn't work like that. I honestly think Huili should avoid the problem altogether and release tracks in MKW Hack Pack as they are. Aplumafreak500 (talk) 02:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

The issue in question is not whether or not tracks can be edited. The issue is that Spykid would like his tracks to be removed from Huili's pack, but he has refused to remove out. CTGP has never denied an author's request to take tracks out of the pack.

--MZ (talk) 02:48, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

How to Use Miscellaneous Packs

Hello!

I am using Kote's "MKW Hack Pack v4 ISO/WBFS converter", found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHVF5BwpIfA.

I've run into some trouble with using miscellaneous packs. I'd very much like to create a Boost Pack ISO, but I'm not sure how to accomplish this. Any help is appreciated!

--Lsh4 (talk) 18:05, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

ISOs are not welcome here, sorry bro. -Dswii3ds (talk) 11:47, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

ISOs are welcome but, then again that's not an official patcher so I son't think you'll get much help here. Sorry --Wg93589 (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Decryption Key for the Master Collection

I went to MKW Hack Pack's revision and found the Master Collection (not separated into four collection) on MEGA. For some reason when I go there, it tells me the decryption key is invalid although that I did not type the decryption key. What is the decryption key? Bri (talk) 17:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)